Talk:Octacube (sculpture)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Octacube (sculpture) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Visual arts

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Visual arts, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of visual arts on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Visual artsWikipedia:WikiProject Visual artsTemplate:WikiProject Visual artsvisual arts articles

Mathematics Low‑priority

	Mathematics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Mathematics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of mathematics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MathematicsWikipedia:WikiProject MathematicsTemplate:WikiProject Mathematicsmathematics articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-priority on the project's priority scale.

Sculpture

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sculpture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Sculpture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SculptureWikipedia:WikiProject SculptureTemplate:WikiProject Sculpturesculpture articles

Pennsylvania Low‑importance

	Pennsylvania portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States: Pennsylvania State University Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Pennsylvania State University (assessed as Low-importance).

Higher education

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Higher education, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of higher education, universities, and colleges on Wikipedia. Please visit the project page to join the discussion, and see the project's article guideline for useful advice.Higher educationWikipedia:WikiProject Higher educationTemplate:WikiProject Higher educationHigher education articles

Photo rights

Not to be persnickety, but would be good to get a statement of who the photographer was (who snapped it?) If it is a stock Penn State image, may not be released. If Ocneanu snapped it, then a simple email release would be good (sometimes people need it explained that they are not just "letting it be used on Wikipedia", but releasing to general usage.

There is also the whole panorama issue (I hate that)...but might affect the pic. I would support a fair use exemption though (I am bullish on those). Pic is needed to illustrate the article, very much.

TCO (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The details of the picture are on the image's page File:Ocnacube.jpg. "Digital photograph taken using Adrian Ocneanu's Nikon camera, transferred by Ocneanu to my computer in his hotel room this afternoon. This image may be freely used by anybody on the web." uploaded by User:Mathsci.--Salix (talk): 16:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I already read that. Questions remain. Again, I'm NOT trying to be persnickety. Not a Wiki gotcha game player. Am in favor even of fair usage (if we had to). Who took the photo (that person has copyrights). Also, the issue of the sculpture itself. (Is Ocneanu owning that?) Whole thing can probably be sorted out by just some more wording or maybe an OTRS note.TCO (talk) 16:59, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asked about it at Commons VP Copyrights (its not a Commons file, but they are the experts and it could get transferred). Not trying to mess with anyone's baby. Just asking the experts to nail it down. (And I WANT a picture, even if fair use is needed.)TCO (talk) 19:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I sent an email to the good professor with details on the issue.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted the tone and cropped the image. Feel free to revert my changes or try others on the file page. Download a copy, edit the image, then just overwrite the same file.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I toggled the version back and forth a couple times. Sticking with the crop and thanks for the brightening (it's supposed to be shiny!) Sometimes I have to refresh my version or crops look funny (but done, now).

TCO (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.s. I hope we don't have some drama over image size or version. ;-)

structure and content

The average person (heck even smart chemists and biologists) can't follow higher math articles (and there is probably no hope they ever will). But this article is actually one with some human interest. Yeah, you need to cover some of the superhard geometry, but as of now, you're actually missing important parts of the story (the materials of construction, fabrication, the 9-11 connection) that are not just vital parts of the topic but also would totally resonate with readers.

Also, there is some remaining confusion of the article topic. Let's keep it centered on the sculpture, explaining a little about the polyhedron (or shape, whateva) but in a manner to SUPPORT. Some of the hard math can (and should for multiple reasons) move down.

New structure will be something like:

topic sentence (covering more aspects and not as immediately in your face geeky hard). Yeah mention the math aspect, but more generally and expand on it, lower down. Not the immediate define by blue link to send me to 20 damned other math project wikiarticles. (you can still do that, but in a lower para).

materials of construction, fabrication

dedication (it's almost inhumane that we are not mentioning that this is a memorial)

the concept of projecting higher dimension objects into lower ones

just a little bit on the math shape itself (lift from the 24-shape article)

Publication coverage (the Playboy thing, can someone reach under his bed and check that is not a hoax? ;-))

Really...your model should be much more like the Penn State reference, NOT the typical Wiki higher math article.

TCO (talk) 15:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Going to go for a workout and then will write the "math section"

I think I know how to do this in a manner which gives the "art appreciator" or even just science person who is not a mathematician a feel for 95% of the important stuff here. (and the math majors have blue links to our articles that are pure math topics).

TCO (talk) 22:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dab page

Should we make Octacube a dab page instead of a redirect?--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would say not. The 24-cell is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and you don't generally have dabs when there are only two items.--Salix (talk): 07:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

agree with salba.TCO (talk) 09:15, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We have a third with Octacube (puzzle). With just two I think we use hat notes. With three we may need a dab. It doesn't really matter to me but readers may not find the other two. We could create Octacube (disambiguation) and add it as a hat to the top of the primary 24-cell page. Just my 2c though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK.TCO (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected octacube to Octacube (disambiguation) since 24-cell is the primary name. There are no links to octacube now, and 24-cell has Octacube (sculpture) in see also so this seems sufficient. Tom Ruen (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Octacube (sculpture). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060901135336/http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/OctacubeFacts.pdf to http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/OctacubeFacts.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 00:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links

The links to Penn State no longer work. Perhaps via the wayback machine they can be retrieved. Whoever produced the content for the article has managed to create things out of thin air (given the current lack of sources). Mathsci (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]