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Death total

I believe this should be 7. From what I remember, but can't cite at the moment, 5 died in the initial explosion being "blown off the platform," while according to this washington post story, two died of radiation sickness, I'm assuming this is in addition to the 5 killed on the platform (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/two-victims-of-mysterious-russian-missile-blast-died-of-radiation-sickness-report-says/2019/08/21/333ade04-c41e-11e9-8bf7-cde2d9e09055_story.html).
7 stated here too... https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/08/13/donald-trump-says-an-experimental-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile-accidentally-blew-up-in-russia-and-here-s-why-experts-say-he-s-right Stono rebellion (talk) 05:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty strange to see such an unprofessional article from TWP, because one does not die from a radiation sickness in such a short period of time. I am not subbed to them, so I haven't seen the full article, but I think these few sentences in the beginning are saying all we need to know about the credibility of this. Besides, as far as I know, there were no Russian sources declaring additional people dead since the day of the explosion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Velasquez (talk • contribs) 09:13, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"one does not die from a radiation sickness in such a short period of time" this is a good point. I mean, given a high enough exposure a person theoretically can die within 48 hours, but it would require a very severe exposure, much worse than anyone at Chernobyl was exposed to. Stono rebellion (talk) 04:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Two didn't make it from the hospital to the airport." So if 5 were dead on the platform, it is 7.--Anidaat (talk) 09:09, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Burevestnik

Hi, I removed the sentence that included: "rise to assertions^{[by whom?]} about the accident being a failed Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile test." In the source, I have not found any assertions other than those by the author (Joseph Trevithick) and unnamed US intelligence officials, which info is based on a NYT article which, however, also mentions 7 deaths, which makes the article, as it seems, not reliable (based on the consenus about the death toll in the wikiartile (see also discussion above). So I have replaced that sentence with wording from 9M730 Burevestnik which clearly states who thinks what. Of course, we can add US intelligence officals if more sources are find, and the opinion of Joseph Trevithick, if it is encyclopedic. But they have to be attributed as such. UPDATE: There is also this, not sure if encyclopedic. WikiHannibal (talk) 10:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Jeffrey Lewis was not the only one who started pointing towards the Burevestnik right after the accident. There were other people in the OSINT community who presented the satellite imagery to the public, where the old testing site in Pankovo was shown, the new one in Nyonoksa and the similarities between them were pointed out. So, while there is nothing wrong in pointing to Jeffrey Lewis here, the impact of other people on this whole topic should probably not be downsized. However, it is indeed a question how to do that, giving the Wikipedia guidelines on citations. I'll think about, maybe will change it later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Velasquez (talk • contribs) 11:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Trump's tweet is already mentioned in the "Reactions" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Velasquez (talk • contribs) 11:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Malfunctioning sensors on civilian network

Hi, just a heads up that nearly all of the sensors in Russia on uRADMonitor are also offline.

Strangely enough most of them stopped working in 2016 but it might be worth asking what went wrong. Data up until then seemed OK so maybe connectivity issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.3.100.44 (talk) 18:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

uRADMonitor is not popular at all outside EU+USA. Warmagain (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Background section, previous tests

Thanks for the addition, more details are here, in Russian: https://www.svoboda.org/a/30144456.html The analůysis is ca. 1 month old. WikiHannibal (talk) 08:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 developments

https://thebulletin.org/2020/08/radiation-detections-in-northern-europe-what-we-do-and-dont-know/

If so, the remains are still dangerous and radioactive regionally.

Zezen (talk) 09:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]