Talk:Nurture (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Skyshifter (talk · contribs) 02:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking of taking this for a while; I guess it's only fair that I take this now, right? Skyshiftertalk 02:50, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the quid pro quo, Skyshifter! Looking forward to the review. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:59, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

General comments

• No copyvio
• Fair use files have a valid rationale
• The first thing I noticed is that you don't mention the release date for any singles except "Get Your Wish". This info is extremely important and should be added.

   Comment: There was previously a section dedicated to the singles that had more detailed information about them. I decided to remove it after a comment in the peer review due to the fact that it was largely redundant to the infobox and no other article I've seen goes this in-depth about the singles. I think we can restore some of that content selectively — maybe just some information about "Musician" or "Unfold" since they're the last singles? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

  I think the release of all singles should be mentioned somewhere in the article with in-line citations — maybe in the Release section? It's standard with album articles, AFAIK. What the PR said was that the singles didn't each need an entire paragraph, which is true. They still shouldn't be omitted completely. Skyshiftertalk 00:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

   Done. Adding it to § Release makes more sense to me, so I've created a new subsection. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Lead

• "planned for released" -> "planned for release"

   Done —TS

Background

• Add (2012) after "Language"

   Done —TS

• An image of Porter Robinson would be nice in this section, such as File:Porter Robinson Chicago 2014.jpg

   Comment: I considered adding an image to this section, but the infobox is really getting in the way of a good placement here. Aligned to the left, it would cause a sandwiching issue; aligned to the right, the infobox pushes the image down into the next section when viewed in some skins, including Vector 2022. Neither of these are unforgivable, but I thought I'd make sure we're both on the same page in terms of the drawbacks before I implemented it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

  This is pretty optional; addition is up to you. The ideal (as in, most relevant) would be an image of Porter Robinson playing songs from Nurture to add in "Release and touring", but I think we unfortunately don't have free images of that. (As a user of the old Vector I also didn't consider thay Vector 2022 is the default layout). Skyshiftertalk 01:26, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, I actually did a search on Flickr and elsewhere for compatibly licensed images of Robinson performing on the Nurture Live Tour, but came up empty-handed. I don't think it's of especially high encyclopedic importance to add an image to § Background, so I'm not too worried about it. I'll also note that the hatnote to the Porter Robinson article leads readers to several images of Robinson on stage. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:32, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

   Not done —TS

• "Following the release of the album [...] As a result, in the years following the album's release" reads a bit repetitive. I think you could remove the latter bolded sentence without losing meaning.

   Partly done; I mostly rephrased the preceding sentence instead. —TS

• How do you feel about adding some of the content in Virtual Self (EP)#Background? I understand you want to avoid interviews, but I think more context could be given regarding how he suffered from writer's block. Some sentences that could be interesting to add would be that Worlds became something for Robinson to resist, that he kept himself locked in the studio for 12 hours a day or that he produced over 100 demos.

  In progress. I'll take a look and get back to you on this. —TS

   Done. Also pinging Twotwice to ask for her help, as I know she's a bit more familiar with the content of Robinson's interviews than I probably am. Twotwice, anything to add on this point? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

  One interview which has content I don't see in the background section is this one, which talks about something I don't see discussed in this article (Robinson leaving his studio and going on the trip to Japan where he has "one of his first breakthroughs" on writing Nurture). If I can think of anything else or find something else when I have the time to do so I'll be sure to update you. Twotwice^talk 15:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

   Partly done. I couldn't think of a good place to add the anecdote about Robinson's trip to Japan, but I did add that he took inspiration from Masakatsu Takagi to § Composition and style. Thanks, and let us know if you find anything else! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• "In 2016, Robinson released "Shelter", a collaboration with friend and fellow electronic producer Madeon. Robinson would later cite Madeon's work on Good Faith (2019) as a key inspiration for Nurture." Sure, Robinson released "Shelter" in 2016 with Madeon. But there is no specific relation between "Shelter" and Good Faith. I think this last sentence fits better in "Composition and style".

   Done —TS

• "'Ghost Voices', a single from the EP, was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Dance Recording the same year [2017]." Nominees for the 61st Annual Grammy Awards were announced on December 7, 2018.

   Fixed —TS

• "In January 2020, Robinson announced the album and its lead single" The single was released the same month, so could do "announced the album and released its lead single"

   Done —TS

• "Robinson had also previously hidden details in the promotional material for Virtual Self." I don't think this is particularly relevant and would remove.

  Agreed,  done. —TS

• "and released additional promotional singles" Generally there's a difference between promotional singles and singles, and these were just singles. Would remove promotional.

   Done. Today I learned that the term promotional single has more than one application! (I was using it in the "single used to promote an upcoming album" sense, but I see how it could be confusing.) —TS

Composition and style

• "which results" -> "which resulted"

  Done —TS

  Undone; see below. —TS

  Un-undone? =  Done —TS

• The usual of writing is i.e. "X wrote" instead of "X writes", and would change all accordingly. (In any case it's currently inconsistent as some are already in past tense). Also applies to other sections of the article such as Themes and Critical reception.

  Not done, and undid the change above. I just remembered MOS:TENSE, which advises the use of present tense for the most part. I just did a pass for the article and am now following this logic for tenses: present tense when describing the album itself (in the spirit of MOS:FICTENSE as well), past tense when describing past events such as the album's production. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

  When you write about the album, you use the present tense (it's a work that exists and can be listened to at any time — this seems to be what MOS:TENSE refers to). When you write about the review itself, you use past tense (the review has already been written and published). For example, "X wrote", "X called" or "X said" are the correct uses, but you also should use "Nurture uses", "Nurture presents", etc. In many album articles, you will notice sentences like "X from Y magazine wrote that the album presents"... Also, in the change above "which results -> which resulted" that you did here, only the word "results" should be changed, and not the word "focuses". See, for example, Kids See Ghosts (album). This is the standard. Skyshiftertalk 12:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

   Done. That'll teach me to make subtle editing decisions right before I head to bed XD You're absolutely right, of course; I seem to have gotten confused by the mixed tense phrases. Everything should be all good now. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• differences between the album" -> "differences between Nurture"

   Sure —TS

Themes

• "Lyons-Burt felt that 'Look at the Sky' has a 'sense of disillusionment'" lacks an inline citation

   Done —TS

Release and touring

• You should either not add information related to commercial performance, or add information regarding the other charts the album entered, instead of only mentioning Top Dance/Electronic Albums.

   Done; added a mention of the other charts. —TS

  I expected something a bit more detailed, such as in Era Extraña#Release and promotion. But I think just mentioning what the other countries are would make it good to go. Skyshiftertalk 22:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

   Sure —TS

• "for a European" -> "for an European"

   Not done. European, while spelled with a vowel, begins with a consonant sound (/j/), and so is preceded by a. —TS

  That's why I'm still only en-2, lol. Skyshiftertalk 22:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

  Lol, don't worry about it, dude. en-N/-5 here, and I still had to Google it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:37, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Critical reception

• "Reviewers highlighted Robinson's 'knack for melody' according to Conaton" This reads as if Conaton wrote that the album's reviewers highlighted Robinson's "knack for melody", which is not it. Just say something like "Conaton said Nurture highlights Robinson's 'knack for melody'"

   Done —TS

• "acoustic guitars... along with" -> "acostic guitars{{nbsp}}... along with" (MOS:...)

   Done —TS

Other

Year-end lists, charts and track listing all seem fine. Will just do a spotcheck before passing.

Spotcheck time.

1:

• Source: Cooper, Duncan (2014-07-31). "Porter Robinson conquered EDM, and now he wants more". The Fader. Retrieved 2023-09-25.
• Text it references: [surge of popularity] after the release of several festival-oriented electronic dance music works such as "Say My Name" (2010) and Spitfire (2011). Robinson grew increasingly dissatisfied with his performances, and said that he experienced "four or five fully-blown anxiety attacks onstage" while touring for his song "Language" (2012).
• Spotcheck result:
  • Mostly fine, but the source doesn't mention the anxiety attacks were done when Robinson was touring for "Language".

  @Skyshifter:  Done. Good catch; I must've misinterpreted the source, since "Language" is mentioned just below the relevant quote. Switched it to just mention the year. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

2:

• Source: Jolley, Ben (April 22, 2021). "Porter Robinson: 'I felt convinced that I wouldn't be able to ever make music again'". NME. Retrieved October 16, 2023.
• Text it references: With this pursuit of what Robinson referred to as a "less dance-y sound", he moved away from "drop-driven" songwriting and employed different styles. and According to Robinson, Nurture has a focus on "finding the beauty in everyday and reality as it is", which is reflected in the album's tagline of "everything we need is already here". He contrasted this with Worlds, which he felt was more about "escaping to faraway dreamlands".
• Spotcheck result: Y

3:

• Source: Joyce, Colin. "Porter Robinson: Nurture". Pitchfork. Archived from the original on April 29, 2021. Retrieved April 29, 2021.
• Text it references: According to Robinson, the processed version of his voice served to add a "corruption and artificiality" to the sound. / but Pitchfork's Colin Joyce noted that it also looks ahead to a brighter future, calling it a "ballad of hard-won optimism". / However, Joyce felt that the song ["Trying to Be Alive"] shows Robinson has realized that "struggle gives life its color in the first place". / Joyce especially highlighted the thematic differences with the music video of "Shelter", which features a simulation that is created to escape a dystopic reality. / (7.6/10 rating) / Joyce felt that Nurture "mirror[s] the twists and turns of his headspace".
• Spotcheck result: Y

@TechnoSquirrel69: I'm passing after spotcheck 1 is resolved. Skyshiftertalk 18:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

✓ Pass, great job! Skyshiftertalk 20:56, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

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