Talk:Northwest Georgia

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved to Northwest Georgia (U.S.): per discussion Ground Zero | t 01:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Northwest Georgia → Northwest Georgia (U.S. state) – I boldy moved this page to Northwest Georgia (U.S. state), only to have it reverted a couple of months later with the edit summary Nonsense. The dis-ambiguation suffix implies that it is a U.S. state itself with that name, not a division of Georgia. The title Northwest Georgia is ambiguous an can be used to describe an area of the U.S. state or the country and almost all Georgia-related articles use a disambiguator (the exception being City, State articles for Georgia, USA), so it fails WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. I propose this page moves to Northwest Georgia (U.S. state), which is recognizable and unambiguous. Zarcadia (talk) 11:44, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support Current title is ambiguous. Timmyshin (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question What other wikipedia articles would it currently be confused with? There is currently no geography article for the country or Georgia that might cause confusion.--Labattblueboy (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Abkhazia is the northwest of Georgia (country), and also referred to as northwest Georgia -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oppose Without an actual completing article to justify disambiguation I see no reason for this move to proceed.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - What do you call Abkhazia then, if not a competing article? -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:09, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - an article with neither the words Northwest or Georgia in it and thus unlikely to cause any ambiguity issues.--Labattblueboy (talk) 10:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        That assumes that (1) things only have 1 name (2) Wikipedia's name is the only way to name a topic; That clearly fails usage in the real world, since Wikipedia has redirects for use with alternate names already. We should not assume that Wikipedia is the sum whole of the world. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Listen, Michael Jackson is theoretically incredibly ambiguous. There are probably hundreds of Michael Jacksons in the world. But none of them have articles about subjects that are as noteworthy as the Thriller artist. Same thing applies here; what's important about northwest Georgia in the Caucasus? Red Slash 23:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your example is comparable to the case here. What's important about Northwest Georgia in the US? Other than the fact that it has an article? Timmyshin (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an arbitrary distinction (North Tennessee or Northwest Wales or Southwest Spain or even East Georgia would be arbitrary distinctions, but Western China or Eastern Washington are not). It's an interesting stretch of land between an enormous metro area and a mountainous mid-sized metro area, and it has relatively distinct and obvious boundaries. It's a reasonably distinct cultural and geographical region. Red Slash 02:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NW Georgia in the Caucuses is Abkhazia, so is quite important in international affairs, since it's just like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Not quite as controversial as South Ossetia, another region of Georgia that is also a dispute between Russia and Georgia. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's an interesting stretch of land between an enormous metro area and a mountainous mid-sized metro area, and it has relatively distinct and obvious boundaries. It's a reasonably distinct cultural and geographical region. Sorry Red Slash, it may be interesting to you but that doesn't make it notable, or more so than the area of the country. Also, it's boundaries are apparently arbitrary and nothing more than the whim of editors. Zarcadia (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong rename per nom. Though the disambiguator is rather misleading, as it isn't about a state called "Northwest Georgia", it is a region in Georgia, so perhaps Northwest Georgia (U.S.) is better. This article is not about Abhkazia which is also NW Georgia, and a separatist region, referred to as the northwest of Georgia. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 06:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Northwest Georgia (U.S.), as suggested by the IP above, since Northwest Georgia is not the name of a U.S. state (although it is a reasonable term that could be used to describe an area of Georgia (country)). —BarrelProof (talk) 00:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As proposer I can't support but agree with suggestion to move to Northwest Georgia (U.S.) or Northwest Georgia (United States). Zarcadia (talk) 20:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article should go to Afd for Delete instead of rename, as there is no evidence in a reliable source that this constitutes a notable division of the US state of Georgia. I see from the Images for "Northwest Georgia" that there is not much agreement about what exact area is to be included in "Northwest Georgia". --Bejnar (talk) 03:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This comment is not supporting the U.S. State as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but rather rather questioning the validity of the article. Hopefully the closing admin can see this. Zarcadia (talk) 20:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is invalid, then it should not be renamed (moved). --Bejnar (talk) 17:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support (U.S.) or (United States) could work too, and deal with a number of concerns. The title is ambiguous, and Northwest Georgia does not recognisably, preponderantly refer to the American region. —innotata 19:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In terms of usage in reliable sources, and in particular Wikipedia title namespace, the current title is not ambiguous. That is, we have no other topic that has a claim on this title. That's the context that matters when deciding if a given title is ambiguous on WP. Since it's not ambiguous, it should not be disambiguated. That would be unnecessary WP:PRECISION. --В²C ☎ 07:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support modified proposal with (U.S.) per User:BarrelProof and per all 5 of the WP:CRITERIA including WP:PRECISION. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Northwest Georgia (U.S.) O N R (talk) 22:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How about Northwest Georgia (USA) as above. I agree "Northwest Georgia (US State)" would be confusing to people who don't know American geography, and could think that there is a state called NW GA, much like West Virgina. I also agree that NW Georgia could be either in the country or the state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.65.196.20 (talk) 13:19, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Northwest Georgia (U.S.) because disambiguation would be useful here, but oppose Northwest Georgia (U.S. state), which could be taken as the name of a state called "Northwest Georgia". Egsan Bacon (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. In the absence of other ambiguous articles on topics called "Northwest Georgia", there's no purpose to add addition disambiguation. The vast majority of Google Books hits I've seen are for this region.[1]--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge and redirect

Merge and redirect to List of counties in Georgia (U.S. state). The cities are better mentioned (if appropriate) at Georgia_(U.S._state). This page contentless navigation trivia. It is an unworthy article, a contrived list, which if it were notable belongs inside the article List of counties in Georgia (U.S. state). The move proposal wantingly implies legitimacy of the article, which shouldn't be given, though the current title is ambiguous with the far more worthy topic of Colchis, the important northwest lowlands of the Kingdom of Georgia. Resist the biases of localism and recentism. At best, a stretch, the content of this article belongs in a navigation template. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't the need to point out Colchis imply having a disambiguation page at Northwest Georgia ? -- 70.51.201.202 (talk) 05:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No. There are only two "northwest Georgia"s, (ignoring that neither are defined in sources) and neither belong at that title. This one doesn't belong, but even if it did, the two would just need hatnotes pointing to each other, per WP:TWODABS. The other is better covered under other titles, such as Colchis. If someone where to want information on this NW Georgia, well there is no encycolpedic information to find. If someone were to want information on the fairly interesting region that is currently northwest Georgia, firstly, they should probably be looking via the history of Georgia, or via the names of the historic nations. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:16, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was:

Northwest Georgia (U.S.) moved to Northwest Georgia. Nominator demonstrated that this move would be in line with WP:CONSISTENT, and several participants agreed that the existing hatnote would be sufficient to prevent confusion.
Eastern Georgia (country) not moved. Participants were skeptical about the utility of this move; rather than a page move, there seemed to be the greatest amount of appetite for merging the article into Geography of Georgia (country). Further merge discussions could be fruitful on the talk page of one of the affected articles. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– These articles have confusing and inconsistent disambiguation. These should be moved to the base name, with hatnotes used to address ambiguity between the U.S. state and the country. In the first case, in spite of the previous RM consensus above, Northwest Georgia still redirects there, which is WP:MISPLACED and defeats the attempt at disambiguation. In the second case, the disambiguator is confusing in that it suggests there is a country named "Eastern Georgia" rather than describing a region of Georgia (country), and again Eastern Georgia is a misplaced redirect there. Most analogous titles are not disambiguated:

North Georgia, article on region of U.S. state, not disambiguated
South Georgia, island as primary topic, with hatnote to South Georgia (disambiguation)
East Georgia, does not exist
West Georgia, redirect to University of West Georgia, probably needs a hatnote
Northern Georgia, does not exist
Southern Georgia, does not exist
Eastern Georgia, misplaced redirect
Western Georgia, redirect to Georgia (country), may need reconsideration at WP:RFD
Northeast Georgia, article on region of U.S. state, not disambiguated
Northwest Georgia, misplaced redirect
Southeast Georgia, article on region of U.S. state, not disambiguated
Southwest Georgia, article on region of U.S. state, not disambiguated

We should be consistent with how these are treated, and add/update hatnotes. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support 1st, Oppose on 2nd - Given that Northwest Georgia (in terms of the country) is probably roughly the same as Abkhazia and the hatnote should solve confusion there. In terms of the 2nd, I feel like "Eastern Georgia" could just as easily refer to the eastern portion of the state. Plus, it seems like that could be just an wikipedia invention. In any case that is the wrong title as it implies "Eastern Georgia" is a country. Honestly, it probably could just as easily be merged into Geography of Georgia (country). estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:28, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia's kinda diagonal geography doesn't lend itself to an East/West split. That article would likely never exist.

Support first, Neutral on second - Per estar8806 on Northwest GA. I also agree a merge is probably better for Eastern Georgia.

BilCat (talk) 02:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support both - highly highly unlikely an article on the allegedly corresponding region for the equivalent ever gets written. Red Slash 22:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose both. Both country and state have a "Northwest" and an "Eastern" section to them. Gonnym (talk) 19:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.