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Melgueiro's voyage

Captain Melgeuiro's supposed 1660 voyage from Japan and Bering's Sea westward through the entire passage to Spitzbergen, which is mentioned in the lede, is a tall tale with no real support from historical research or established science. I've never seen it mentioned in books about the history of polar exploration and I've read quite a few of those. The journey would have been impossible with the sailing ships and state of knowledge at the time, and it is telling that the supposed source (La Madelène's book) gives no information at all about what Melgueiro saw during his many months of sailing except an inacurate notice that the "coast of Greater Tartary" would reach 83 degrees north (same as the northern tip of Greenlsnd). Old books about the sea abound with fabrications and skipper's yarns like this one. Delete! 83.254.143.161 (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was very much possible. This article explains it why. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/13/was-the-northeast-passage-first-navigated-in-1660/?ak_action=reject_mobile BestaMontalegre (talk) 10:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You just cited Watts Up With That? by Anthony Watts (blogger), which is not a WP:RELIABLE source, to put it mildly (and in this case, the content is copied from http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/p/david-melgueiro-english.html, which is also not a WP:RELIABLE source). It's telling that the reliable sources that actually try to evaluate the veracity of the story summarily dismiss it as false (such as this one, this one, and even this one which is cited in the article because you added it). The above user has been blocked for WP:SOCKPUPPETRY, for the record. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Roqui15/Archive#20 August 2020. TompaDompa (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate text

The following text appears twice in the article, word for word:

"For the corporate players in bulk shipping of relative low-value raw materials, cost savings for fuel may appear as a driver to explore the Northern Sea Route for commercial transits, and not necessarily reduced lead time. The Northern Sea Route allows economies of scale compared to coastal route alternatives, with vessel draught and beam limitation. Environmental demands faced by the maritime shipping industry may emerge as a driver for developing the Northern Sea Route." —Megiddo1013 08:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]