Talk:North Carolina Secretary of State

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Review: January 25, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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GA Review

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Reviewer: SSSB (talk · contribs) 16:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this review on. The only think I know about the subject is roughly where North Carolina is, so this should be interesting. SSSB (talk) 16:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
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a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Changes for promotion

In the infobox, the "| insigniacaption = " field should be filled out. Simply "Seal of the North Carolina Secretary of State." would be suffiecent. SSSB (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
Elaine Marshall, who assumed the office in 1997, was the first woman ever elected to a statewide executive office. - it needs to be clarified that this refers to the first in North Carolina - rather than nationally. SSSB (talk) 15:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarified.
impose small civil fines for infractions. - "small" is too vague. It should instead be specified that they have the power to impose fines of up to $5000. SSSB (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle: - I think you might have missed this one? SSSB (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SSSB: Should be resolved now. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:06, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The cited source for Cyrus Thompson calls him a Republican. I know his article also shows him as a populist. So maybe a footnote may be appropriate explaining that he is shown as republican in the source, but was actually a populist (with a citation of course), or something else? SSSB (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a source for his Populist affiliation. Unfortunately, I think Cheney is simply incorrect about this. Earlier this month I was doing work on the Fusionism in North Carolina article and while reading sources it became clear that at this time Thompson was very much involved in the Populist Party at this time so I changed it here without thinking about adding a source to clarify. Cheney is not the only source to get this wrong. You can read the Fusionism article to get some background, but basically I think the reason for this confusion is that during the Fusionist era (about 1894 to 1900) the North Carolina Populist Party and the state Republicans worked together to support candidates in hodgepodge coalitions to defeat Democrats, and this included both parties nominating the same candidates. Thompson was given Republican backing in the election after the Populists chose him as their own candidate,^[1] so its possible these sources got confused by the dual nomination. It also seems possible that Thompson joined the Republican Party later in life after the Populists collapsed, as did some other Populists such as James M. Mewborne. At any rate, we have good scholarly sources which are quite clear that during this time Thompson was indeed a leading figure of the state Populist Party and served as Secretary of State as a Populist.^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]
  - Yeah, happy with that. SSSB (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ref list

^ "The Populists and Republicans". The Roxboro Courier. August 19, 1896. p. 4.
^ Crow, Jeffrey J.; Durden, Robert F. (1977). Maverick Republican in the Old North State : A Political Biography of Daniel L. Russell. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press. p. 119. ISBN 9780807102916.
^ Beeby, James M. (2008). Revolt of the Tar Heels: The North Carolina Populist Movement, 1890–1901. University Press of Mississippi. pp. 43, 100, 146. ISBN 9781604733242.
^ Edmonds, Helen G. (2013). The Negro and Fusion Politics in North Carolina, 1894-1901 (revised ed.). Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Press. p. 144. ISBN 9781469610955.
^ Prather, H. Leon (1979). Resurgent Politics and Educational Progressivism in the New South, North Carolina, 1890-1913. Fairleigh Dickinson University Press. p. 106. ISBN 9780838620717.

Other comments

In the list, Sectraties 1-7 should have {{N/A}} in the party column, to avoid it looking incomplete. SSSB (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
By tradition, they attend the ceremonies in which an outgoing governor turns over the Great Seal of North Carolina to their successor. - the way I interpret the cited source, I would say that the Secretary isn't there by tradition. The traditional part is that it is not open to the public. If I missed something later on, or disagree, please say. SSSB (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I've removed "by tradition".
I have assumed good faith for two citations I couldn't access. SSSB (talk) 18:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle: I've finished my review. There a couple more minor things that need to be addressed. But then I am happy to promote. I'll place it on hold temporaily, but no rush. SSSB (talk) 18:15, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle: all done. Congratulations on another good article. SSSB (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Potential sources

-Indy beetle (talk) 09:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "The Populists and Republicans". The Roxboro Courier. August 19, 1896. p. 4.

[2] Crow, Jeffrey J.; Durden, Robert F. (1977). Maverick Republican in the Old North State : A Political Biography of Daniel L. Russell. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press. p. 119. ISBN 9780807102916.

[3] Beeby, James M. (2008). Revolt of the Tar Heels: The North Carolina Populist Movement, 1890–1901. University Press of Mississippi. pp. 43, 100, 146. ISBN 9781604733242.

[4] Edmonds, Helen G. (2013). The Negro and Fusion Politics in North Carolina, 1894-1901 (revised ed.). Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Press. p. 144. ISBN 9781469610955.

[5] Prather, H. Leon (1979). Resurgent Politics and Educational Progressivism in the New South, North Carolina, 1890-1913. Fairleigh Dickinson University Press. p. 106. ISBN 9780838620717.

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