Talk:North Briton

Proposal to move to North Britain

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus; the current title at least has the virtue of consistency with West Briton. Duja► 13:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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I'd like to move this article to North Britain. While a North Briton is simply a resident of North Britain, it seems difficult to incorporate the very-much related subject of the latter into the former title. --Breadandcheese 03:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

What is there to write about North Britain that would need to be said in a North Britain article? Angus McLellan (Talk) 08:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this article should be refocused. But there should be an article, including John Wilkes' North Briton, at this title; and the wide explanation is as good as any. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Citation needed

The article makes claim that North Briton is a term used to refer to Scots this needs to be sourced, it may have been the case that the term was used some time ago but it is never used now. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 17:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it is in any sort of notable use for self-identification purposes in the modern day. Obviously there will always be one or two people who choose to identify as such, but I don't think they're encyclopaedic. Modern use is mainly in historical contexts, a humorous fashion or political usage.--Breadandcheese 17:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be rewritten them the sentance A North Briton is a term used for a Scottish person is just not true, it is only used in a joking or derogatory way --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Not so. Adam Smith and other figures from the Scottish enlightenment used the term affectionately, for themselves. OK, I don't have citation to hand, but I'm working on it. It is true that "North Briton" is a term used for a Scot - that is now considered a "silly" term doesn't nullify it's meaning however - we all know what it denotes. Of course though, the article needs much stronger citation regardless to ensure neutrality and factuality - I made some quick changes to drive the article forwards just a little. Jza84 12:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

That was then, if you look at what I wrote I'm not denying that the term was sometimes used but it is never used now the article needs to make that clear. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 13:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Quite - I think we need some source material to work from. I have a particular disliking for Google sources, and will try to get some print material. Jza84 13:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Silly article

Whether its used as an "insult" by certain people or not, isn't that relevent yet 100% of the article is babbling on about it. A lot of people in the land of Scotland were indeed Brythons (aka Britons)... and they're from the North, people from the areas of most of Scotland and Northern "England" can thus be accurately described as North Britons.[1] - Yorkshirian (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Citing your sources would help with these assertions. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, just that they will need to be verified. -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Except a lot of Southern Scotland and Northern England where/are Anglic peoples...as that is where their culture derives...yes, they may be genetically descended from Brythons is beside the point, as their culture is rather archaic English, and thus is probably most similar to the Frisians, who's language resembles Lowland Scots and Northumbrian English the most out of all modern Anglic dialects (look at words such as swere/swier, lowe/loge, waxin/waakse, in Northern English for example). The culture of that region id derived from the Old Northumbrians largely, as is the language. And thus saying they are North Britons due to Brythons originally living in the lands is unsuported (though some areas such as Cumbria do have strong Brythonic roots and thus can be described as Anglo-Brythons...they may even have their own language again soon!), and yes, a lot of Scotland was owned by the Picts who then merged their kingdom with the Gaelic peoples and thus Scotland did become a hybrid of Bryhtonic and Gaelic (and then absorbed the Anglic lowlands). But that is besides the point as Brythons or not, North Briton (along with South Briton) was a ridiculous term as they were Scottish and English respectively! Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 10:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

"North British" Institutions

Now that no-one speaks of "North Britain," the concept is kept alive in the memory of a number of historical institutions, such as the North British Railway (1846 - 1923) and until more recently the North British Hotel, the most visible hotel in the capital of Scotland. NRPanikker (talk) 21:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

North Britian

I propose that this article be merged with North Britain, so that the toponym, the demonym, and the adjectival "North British" can all be considered under one head. GPinkerton (talk) 16:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)