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Nord 1102

The entry for the Nord 1102 keeps being removed from the article it would be interesting to know why? MilborneOne (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason is simple: this aircraft NEVER existed!!!!! Have you ever seen a picture of a Nord 1102? Did you check the civil registers to find one? Can you provide any serial number or immatriculation of a Nord 1102? Of course not, because this is a fake!

Please note also that "Ramier I" and Ramier II" are also false: only "Ramier" was used.

Philippe Ricco, French aviation historian

Thanks, I have added some reliable references that the designation exists, if you can find a reference that none were actually built then we can add that to the text. MilborneOne (talk) 19:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that all your references are from English sources, that don't well know the French aviation history. The origin of this error was my friend Pierre Leyvastre, a great French aviation historian who wrote a lot of articles in Air International and in Willam Green's publications during the 60's. Since, this error was corrected in France, but continue to be copied by English people, who never verify their sources. Leyvastre was very sad to know that he was the initiator of this error and that he was not able to avoid this legend to continue. He died in 2002. Nevertheless, this stay a mistake and the Nord 1102 never existed, even if you can find some sources that copied it without verification, for about 50 years. I have added the reference to my book about German aircraft under French markings, that contains a chapter about the Nord 1100/1101/1110 history, where I explained that Nord 1102 was an error. So now, be serious and please remove every reference to this false designation!

Ph. Ricco

The International Civil Aviation Authority (a United Nations organisation) and the Federal Aviation Authority all believe the designation exists the ICAO are not the sort of people who read amateur article and must have responed to an official request from the company, so I have listed it as not built. I have assumed good faith that none were built and have added your book as a reference, if you can add the page number it would be appreciated. MilborneOne (talk) 19:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The situation seems not quite clear to me, though I have no knowledge of this type. Mr. Ricco's claim is that the "Nord 1102" was the result of an error by Pierre Leyvastre, presumably in his writings during the 1960s. But that doesn't explain the references to a "Nord 1102" which I found in Google Books in a 1946 issue of The Aeroplane and in the 1948 and 1949 editions of Jane's. Granted, these are all English sources, and it's odd that no matches appear in French sources from this period. Maybe the error predates Pierre Leyvastre, or maybe the appropriate French sources simply aren't available in Google Books for some reason. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I worked some years ago on the Nord-Aviation manufacturer archives for one of my books (see here: http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article1068.html ), with designers and test pilots of the company. I have interviewed tenth of responsibles and people from all the Nord Aviation company services. I have got production lists, pilot flight logs, and original project study plans. None has never referred to "Nord 1102" designation. I don't understand why ICAA reports this usage, as the manufacturer has never used it. The presence of this supposed designation on 1946 to 1949 journalist publications only proves that Leyvastre was not the first to suppose that Nord Aviation has created the 1102 using the same principle as for the Nord 1002. Unfortunately, this is false. Also note that nobody can provide a photo, a serial number, the name of the test pilot supposed to test this plane, the date of the first flight, or any verifiable information on such aircraft. PhR 14 January 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.102.122.186 (talk) 20:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cambodian Gunship?

Hello everyone, a question, was this aircraft the one billed as the "Cambodian Gunship" at UK airshows in the eighties? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roy Szweda (talk • contribs) 18:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]