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Category 1995 establishments

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This article is included in the category for 1995 establishments but this is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Can someone update this or remove the category? Noetic Sage 16:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly 14 months later, it seems fine now lol. :) Jmlk17 22:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vegetarian menu items

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I changed the statement that "all menu items are vegetarian" to "most menu items are vegetarian" this is based on an injury sent to their company. They said: "The following items are not considered vegetarian by our standards: Pad Thai (fish and oyster sauce), Caesar Salad (fish sauce), Chicken Noodle Soup, all protein add-ons but the tofu, Potstickers (chicken) and Rice Krispie Treats (marshmallow). We consider all other menu items to be vegetarian." --anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.215.204 (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Noodles & Company Logo.svg

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I've tagged this article with advert because it reads like a brochure. Darthveda (talk) 23:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added back the advert tag removed June 30, 2008, using the original 03/2008 tag date. The article does read more like an advertising piece and could use a good rewrite, if anyone is interested. Contrast this article with, for example, the one for Burger King. Glane23 (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOD Tagging

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This article talk page was automatically added with {{WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Restaurants or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. You can find the related request for tagging here -- TinucherianBot (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hiring Practices?

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Rumor is that Noodles employs a large number of illegal immigrants, and has policies in place (storing I-9 documents at corporate offices so individual stores aren't liable, for example) to hide this. Can anyone corroborate this? I have heard of this practice in other areas of the food service industry, but the idea of Noodles doing this just makes me sad. 97.114.5.129 (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am a manager at Noodles and Company and can 100% confirm this as a true statement Gamesformay (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Food photos

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None of the three photos present in the article — Image:Pasta_with_pesto.jpg, Image:CaesarSalad3.jpg, Image:Bowl of chicken soup.jpg — are photos of food as served by Noodles & Company. This is akin to showing a photo of a Big Mac in a Burger King article. As such, I've pulled all three photos. — VulcanOfWalden (talk) 18:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

COI contributions

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Hi. I'll be helping Noodles & Company make contributions to the article from Talk with the aim of bringing the article up to the "Good Article" designation. I'm researching/writing a first draft off-line at-the-moment, which should at least bring the article up to B class when finished, while cleaning up some unsourced promotionalism and other problems on the current page.

I wanted to introduce myself on the Talk page and see if there were any Talk-page watchers interested in considering our contributed article when finished, per WP:COI. Afterwards I'll take it through the GA process to double-check our work and make sure it is neutral, complete and well-sourced. CorporateM (Talk) 19:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Draft

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On Noodles & Company's behalf, I've prepared a draft of a substantial expansion to this article for Wikipedia's consideration at User:CorporateM/Noodles & Company. I know it's a lot of content to dump on the community at once, so I'm happy to go through it in whatever format is most convenient. (section-by-section, all-at-once, etc.). I've also prepared some extensive notes below, which flow in-order from top-to-bottom in the draft.

A few notes
  • I'm still making edits and cleaning up citation errors, so please pardon my dust
  • A lot of the citations are from restaurant trade publications I obtained from my local library's database. Please feel free to ask for any citations you would like me to provide a full-text or PDF for.
  • A lot of sources differ on how they describe Aaron's inspiration for the concept of Noodles & Company. Some are along the lines of "he realized noodles make fast, healthy, affordable dishes," which is similar to the official company version. I opted for the less promotional version of it being a business decision in particular to avoid the appearance of cherry-picking to align with the company's version of events.
  • I acknowledge the end of the Early history and the Growth section are going to make an editor's hair stand up. In fact, I delete dedicated "Awards" sections on-site and there are a couple awards mentioned in the Menu and Restaurants section as well. I believe they meet the criteria User:DGG taught me of being included in profile stories and many sources were focused on how quickly the company was growing, using phrases like "Noodles & Company, the fast-growing fast-casual rest..." Seeing as editors with a COI often profess that the content is "representative of the sources" when it is not actually, I'm not sure what to say about it. Check out the sources? I'm open to feedback and some trimming may or may not be needed, but hope editors don't make assumptions, as Noodles & Co does genuinely have a positive reputation and reviews.
  • Ditto regarding the IPO, though I think some trimming might be justified anyway to reduce editorializing

I appreciate your time in advance. CorporateM (Talk) 20:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks good. Before I move the article to main space I have a few comments
  • For the origin of the idea, we can also give both. "Sources disagree on how Kennedy got the idea to establish Noodles & Company. According to ...". I used a similar approach for Amir Hamzah and Frank's Cock where sources were in disagreement
  • I've added a disambiguation needed tag.  Done
  • Many local food critics - Looks a little weaselly,
  • ethnic foods - Don't really think this is a neutral term. What is deemed "ethnic" in one country would be standard in another (by definition) Done
  • the future COO and the future head chef of Noodles & Company - Names? Done
  • What's el dante?  Done
  • Magazines and newspapers: Italics please  Done
  • I'd link the cities Done
  • As of 1999, the average check was $8.60 at lunch and $9.80 for dinner. - I'd drop this, as the price has almost certainly gone up in the 14 years since then (because of inflation if nothing else). Done
  • You mention salads, then talk about them being introduced. Rather confusing. Done
  • Any reviews of the food proper?
Thanks so much! I'm glad you didn't put it in just yet, because I still have a lot of janitorial and copyediting work to do. Replacing "ethnic" with "international" was on my To Do list. Let me get the citation templates nice and polished, incorporate your feedback and finalize any copyediting, tomorrow/Thursday. CorporateM (Talk) 00:13, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Crisco 1492, I'm done with my citation cleanup and other edits and implemented most of your feedback. I don't think the source was more specific than "local food critics" and I think I would rather leave a Reception section as something that's open to further improvement. Such sections are difficult to write with a conflict of interest. It's been almost a week and I haven't heard back from Mike V, though I see he hasn't been editing much. If you're comfortable with moving it to article-space, that would be great, though I am just as open to waiting a bit longer to see if another editor has comments. CorporateM (Talk) 21:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done CorporateM (Talk) 22:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! I'll give it some time to "settle" before seeing how a GA nomination goes. CorporateM (Talk) 23:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Couple items

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I removed a mention of Noodles & Company's pricing in the draft by Crisco's suggestion because the source was too old. Just last Friday, an Investor's Business Daily article came out that says the average order is for $8, which could replace that.

Much, Marilyn (September 20, 2013). "Noodles & Co. Restaurant Future Looks Tasty After IPO". Investor's Business Daily. Retrieved September 23, 2013.

I also just uploaded File:Noodles&Company billboard.jpg, which - if it passes muster with copyrights - would be a great image for the Advertising section. The content of this section is hard to explain in text. CorporateM (Talk) 16:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We'll find out soon if anyone feels the image doesn't meet the non-free criteria. I'll give the article some time to settle before nominating for GA to get one more pair of eyes on it and make sure it's up to Wikipedia's standards. CorporateM (Talk) 22:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further reading

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Do you think links like this, which is currently under Further reading, where the food recipes are discusses are superfluous? CorporateM (Talk) 23:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 17:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I use to like this restaurant when it was down the street, so I will review this article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The closest one for me is about 15 minutes away, but my wife and I make the drive. I like all the spicy dishes in in the center column of the menu, and the traditional speghetti and meatballs. CorporateM (Talk) 18:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I usually got variations on pad thai because it was nearly the cheapest.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LEAD
 Done
Origins
Do you mean the full address? (4737 Concord Pike, Wilmington, DE 19803) CorporateM (Talk) 18:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What about the Cherry Creek one?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I looked up Denver locations on their website and assumed that was it. Here's a map of Cherry Creek and I'm guessing this now defunct location at 2360 E 3rd Ave Denver, CO 80206 is it. However, the sources I used in the article and double-checked don't specify the full address. I will double-check when the book arrives in 5-7 days to see if it has it. I don't think it should be added unless we have a reliable source for it though. CorporateM (Talk) 02:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Unfortunately there just aren't any sources that identify the full address of the first location CorporateM (Talk) 21:48, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Early history
 Done Holy crap - that's where the menu rework came from!! CorporateM (Talk) 16:50, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done The source says the negative review was in the Wisconsin State Journal in April 1996, was followed by 2 months of lackluster sales, then the team made the trip, so presumably in June or July. I'll put mid-1996. CorporateM (Talk) 18:25, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done I think Chicago is known for noodle shops, but the book just says "Kennedy and his team drove from Madison to Chicago to tour successful noodle shops, compare them to their own restaurants and decide whether to quite or revise their business model." Inc. says "To kick off the "Redefine Noodles & Co." meeting, Kennedy and his team -- executive chef Ross Kamens, then board member (and now executive vice-president) Tom Weigand, and a handful of specialists in architecture, management, and construction -- traveled to Chicago, where they visited some of the city's many noodle shops. After tasting several dishes and observing the sizzling sautÉ process at half a dozen restaurants, the team drove three hours to the struggling Madison store." I did a few searches in Google books, Google News and my library's database for other sources, but came up empty handed. CorporateM (Talk) 21:56, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm re-checking the sources - I'm not actually sure where this came from. I thought I remembered reading it, but I don't see anything about actually changing menu items in the sources. I will do some more poking around first to see if I can find it in another source. CorporateM (Talk) 22:06, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Inc. Magazine says "Executive chef Kamens reexamined the menu." and "Kennedy asked the team to examine each element of the business, from restaurant layout to menu to pricing" but it doesn't specify specific items that were added/removed. CorporateM (Talk) 16:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The book says "warmed up the restaurants' color schemes" and Inc. says "And the architect refashioned the restaurants with warmer colors." CorporateM (Talk) 21:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
 Done There were not, but I added a wikilink to the article on sauteing 18:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Did I miss the link for steam tables.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:54, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's no article on Steam tables, unless there is another word for it? It may have another name I should be looking for. CorporateM (Talk) 01:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done There is no article, but I re-worked it so it was more self-explanatory. The source only says "to increase freshness" so this is a bit of OR technically speaking, but within the realm of common sense I think. CorporateM (Talk) 15:45, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying there is no source for al dente?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:14, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think so, but let me double check. CorporateM (Talk) 22:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. It is not in the book, the Inc. profile that covers the turnaround extensively, or the local profile "PASTA ENTREPRENEUR USES HIS NOODLE". I also checked HighBeam, Google Books and the library database for articles that mention al dente with Noodles & Company, as well as the major profiles used in the article, like "Going Bowling".
This prompted me to check the sourcing in other parts of the article, because I'm not sure where it came from. I do notice that the negative review in the Wisconson State Journal that almost caused them to go out of business "A GREAT IDEA, BUT FOOD COMES UP A BIT LIMP", says "Noodles & Company reheats their noodles by dipping them in hot water for a few moments...All of the noodles were a touch overdone for our tastes." Given the move to sauteeing, it seems likely the al dente thing is true (but unsourced). CorporateM (Talk) 23:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Growth
 Not done I checked the sources in the Growth section again, but none of them have numbers for locations during this time period. CorporateM (Talk) 16:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Not doneThe source just says "stepped down this month as chief executive —president Kevin Reddy has assumed that role"
 Not done Argh, I no longer have access to the source, which was a broadcast television spot I could see through a trial service I was using, but I'm not sure I could describe the reason for its growth without being promotional anyway - the food is great, filling, affordable and healthy. It's just a great, well-loved restaurant. CorporateM (Talk) 18:46, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a point where being a COI editor is touchy. I believe the proper thing to say about this is that this is a restaurant that people turned to when they had to tighten their belts while struggling to balance their budgets. The alternative point to make is show similar restaurants where this same trend occurred, but I think an objective attempt to troll through data would lead you to my original point.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • IMO, the best editors on WP present as many sides as possible to the readers. I write a lot about Michigan athletics, but I write the articles so that both Michigan's most diehard fans and Michigan's staunchest rivals feel that the articles are complete. I am a tell all writer on WP even if I am a fan. I don't sweep things under the rug. As a COI editor, this point is not something that you should want to make, but for the sake of WP readers to get the full picture give a lot of thought to the presentation of this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • Why don't we just stick to what is in the sources :-p I'll take a look at some of the articles that talk about growth in particular and see if the have some context we can add. CorporateM (Talk) 02:19, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            •  Not done I checked all the sources in the Growth section and there just wasn't any source material to provide content around why they grew so quickly. Cite #3 talks a lot about awards and positive reception, while another talks about how the Fast-Casual market was growing, but neither would directly support making a connection that either factor was the reason it was growing. CorporateM (Talk) 02:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Recent history
 Done
 Done
Menu and restaurants
 Done
According to cite #3: "Since then the company has followed a pattern of opening in urban, affluent neighborhoods and cosmopolitan college towns" CorporateM (Talk) 02:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
“Customers tend to be well educated and fairly cosmopolitan, according to Kennedy”
All of this needs to be in the text.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
What about the part that says well educated and fairly cosmopolitan?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's somewhat redundant and attributed to a company spokesperson, but I don't mind putting it in if you think it should be. CorporateM (Talk) 14:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Add it with proper attribution.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done
Do you mean to explain what a franchise is? Like that some of them are owned by Noodles & Company, while others have have franchise owners that pay fees to use their name and recipes? CorporateM (Talk) 02:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Franchise vs. non-franchise store may mean a different thing in each business. Describe what the differences for this business as well as you can based on sources.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:07, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How about this: A franchise location is operated by an independent franchisee that is trained in Noodles & Company's operations and uses the same menus, pricing and branding. source CorporateM (Talk) 15:29, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That explains one half.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You mean something like "while corporate stores are owned and operated by Noodles & Company"? It seems pretty obvious, but I don't mind putting it in. CorporateM (Talk) 22:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I think. I added this, though it seems a bit awkward, because I think most people know what a franchise is (and if they don't they can click on the wikilink), but I trust your judgement. CorporateM (Talk) 15:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Images


Thanks for taking on the review! A lot of these questions about the details of the changes in decor, cooking, and menu I thought I remembered reading somewhere, but my library's article database is giving me errors right now and many of them are sourced to the book "Upside to Turbulence". Google Books does not provide the book's text and I do not have a hard-copy, so I'm not sure how I accessed this source the first time around (I ordered a copy just now). I'll have to circle back after I get the book in the mail and my library's database is working again to see if I can find the info. CorporateM (Talk) 19:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I assume I should complete the review and that you anticipate being able to respond within a few weeks. Is this the case?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, that would be fine. CorporateM (Talk) 19:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I promise I haven't forgotten about this article. I'm still waiting for the book to come in. Should be here soon I would think. CorporateM (Talk) 14:03, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. No rush.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I got the book! I will be checking it to see if it contains any of the information you've asked for today/tomorrow. CorporateM (Talk) 21:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


  • At this point I only have a couple remaining issues:
  1. Dollar amounts over 10 years old should be converted into current dollars (US${{formatnum:{{Inflation}}}} in {{CURRENTYEAR}} dollars{{inflation-fn|US}}).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Except in the Lead. Should it be in the Lead as well? Even though the inflation numbers are also in the body? CorporateM (Talk) 01:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "uses the same menus" is currently ungrammatical. same menus as what. You should probably describe the Corporate stores first and then say the Franchises use the same menus as the corporate stores.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done How's that? CorporateM (Talk) 01:22, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not neutral article

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There is a lot in this article that, while sourced, feels to be promotional in nature. Although mostly presented through sourced quotes, there is a narrative that feels almost like a press release. Especially passages like this one in the "Growth" section (which has little to do with "Growth") like:

"Local food critics in many cities began naming Noodles & Company as the best fast-food restaurant in the city and it was frequently listed as a "company to watch."[3] The restaurant developed a word-of-mouth reputation as a good place to work[16] and won a Hot Concept! award from Nation's Restaurant News.[17]"

The article seems to put undue weight on positive reviews and press mentions of their business success. Compare it to an article like Subway_(restaurant) or Chipotle_Mexican_Grill (two restaurants I clicked on at random from the "Fast food and fast casual restaurant chains in the United States" template at the bottom) and compare how much less emphasis is placed on glowing reviews and quotes about how well their stock is doing. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not so much objecting to the last of negative reviews, but the general composition. In the example above, the section on Growth features a rumor (word-of-mouth) from an interview published in a trade magazine about working conditions and a reference no a not-necessarily notable award (I can find few references to that award that aren't from the publication in question or in press releases by winners of said award), neither of which are directly related to growth of the company. I didn't want to go through and delete stuff willy-nilly without feedback, but it seems a bit on the promotional side as it is written now. --Ahecht (TALK
    PAGE    ) 17:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have uploaded a copy of the source in question here. On the last page on the bottom-left corner it says “its reputation as a good place to work has spread to potential workers by word of mouth". The article is not an interview as suggested, but upon a re-read, it appears to be referring to an individual location, as oppose to the company in general. Unless a better source is found referring to the company in a broader sense, the statement should therefore be deleted, as we don't normally cover individual locations. CorporateM (Talk) 18:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC) (please note my COI disclosure)[reply]

Notes/New sources

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Keeping some new sources/notes/etc. here as I notice new articles that come out. CorporateM (Talk) 21:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The company acquired 16 franchise locations from Sagamore Dining Partners for $13.4 million in May 2014[1] and seven franchises from North American Dining LLC. that June.[2]
  • Some updates on lackluster revenue growth and stock price for the first time in the company's history, allegedly due to a tough snowstorm winter.[3]

References

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  1. ^ Jennings, Lisa (May 27, 2014). "Noodles & Company to acquire 16 franchised restaurants". Nation's Restaurant News.
  2. ^ "Noodles & Company headed to Springfield". News Leader. June 9, 2014. Retrieved June 9, 2014.
  3. ^ Raabe, Steve (June 1, 2014). "Noodles & Co. looking to defrost after a frigid winter". The Denver Post.
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Africa?

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Under areas served it says Africa and I cannot find reference to a single noodles in the entire continent. A search in Google maps for noodles and company in Africa reveals inky one business in Lagos, Nigeria named Indomie Noodles and Power Oil Company. Bobby2hands (talk) 01:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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