Talk:Nomadic peoples of Europe

"Scottish Gypsy Travellers"

Please cite the usage of the terms Gypsy Travellers/Scottish Gypsy Travellers which personally I have not heard and, more importantly, the citations do not use it. Although they mention that "there is Gypsy blood in some Highland Traveller families" they draw a clear distinction between Romanies/Gypsies and Travellers. Also why is "North" prefixed to Highland Travellers in the passage regarding Beurla Regaird? Mutt Lunker 21:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its quite simple there are gypsies or romanies in Scotland, there have always been a branch of the romani people there first documented in 1506. The congrigated mostly in the lowlands and the borders of Scotland with ties to English gypsies. Contain historical families like the Blyths, Faa's are in border ballads like Gypsy Davie "The Raggle Taggle Gypsy". What I can tell you is that these gypsies have nothing in common with the Highland travellers, not in language or culture or mix much. Also the Highland Travellers speak a gaelic based language and the lowland gypsy a scots-romani based language. There is a difference but not being of one of these groups you wouldn't realize that.Uthican (talk) 04:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the Jews should be in this article, they may have migrated more often than most people but that isn't what is meant by nomadism. PatGallacher (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the highly racist label Gypsy to refer to the Roma

The use of the word Gypsy is considered highly pejorative, derogatory and racist when designating the Roma. The Council of Europe, Amnesty International and other such organisations have drawn up a policy of not using the word. Calling a Roma - Gypsy is like calling an African - Negro or an Indian - Coolie or an Inuit - Eskimo. I will share the source of my claims in due course. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The section on Scottish and Irish travellers is a mess

Major re-write of the Irish Travellers and Scottish Travellers section was needed. For one Irish Travellers and Scottish Travellers are not the same cultural group. Also Scottish Travellers for one have multiple groups who are not the same culturally or speak the same language. One of these are Highland Travellers who are not gypsies in the same sense that Irish Travellers are descended from itinerant Irish people who call themselves Travellers. Also there is no connection between the Scottish Highland Traveller and the Irish Traveller except for the fact both speak a creole based on the respective Irish or Scottish Gaelic.

There are Romani groups in Scotland as well who have lived there from 1506 and therefore not all people who call themselves Travellers in Scotland are in the same cultural group as Highland Travellers or Irish Travellers. Lowland Scottish Travellers/Gypsies ie from the borders have more in common with Welsh and English Romanies. Also English and Welsh romanies have moved to Scotland and they now after several generations call themselves Scottish Travellers but are romanies. Lastly the term “They are not roma” in the second paragraph with respects to the Highland travelers, you just fell into a trap many people fall into. British romanies are not Roma too they are a branch of the Sinti Romani people. Roma specifically are a branch of the same romani people that includes all eastern European romanies. No western European romani group will call themselves Roma, they are Manouch, Kale (both Spanish, Finnish or Welsh), Romanichal, or Scandinavian Romanisal.Uthican (talk) 04:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]