Talk:No. 82 Wing RAAF/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Nick-D (talk) 08:08, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments

The article is in pretty good shape, but should probably be a bit more detailed:

• It would be well worth consulting Tocumwal to Tarakan. Australians and the Consolidated B-24 Liberator for details on the Wing's World War II service. In particular, the article doesn't mention the quasi-strategic bombing attacks the wing conducted on targets in the NEI.
  • That one's available at the Mitchell Library, see what I can do.
• "No. 82 Wing transferred from NWA to the command of the Australian First Tactical Air Force in Morotai" - did it move to Morotai? (from memory, I don't think so, but this should be clarified). I think that some of its aircraft staged through Morotai at times and there may have been a permanent detachment.
  • Clarified per Odgers.
• "Just before the end of hostilities in the Pacific, the wing's operations came under the control of the recently established garrison headquarters No. 11 Group" - I don't think this is accurate. No. 11 Group was to be assigned a small number of fighter squadrons only.
  • Per Odgers p.478. Both this and the preceding info are repeated in Waters' Oboe book, though admittedly that relies heavily on Odgers, sometimes almost quoting word-for-word without direct attibution -- wouldn't pass the 'close paraphrasing' test in WP!
• "After the war, No. 82 Wing moved to its present location at RAAF Base Amberley, Queensland" - can a date be specified for this?
  • Found this in a Pathfinder issue.
• Did No. 1 and No. 2 Squadrons remain part of the wing during their lengthy deployments to Malaysia and South Vietnam?
  • Yesss, bit of a toughie that one (he said in a voice oddly reminiscent of Group Captain Lionel Mandrake in Dr Strangelove, when asked by General Jack D. Ripper if he'd ever been tortured)... A good question that no-one's fully answered, except for AWM (and Stephens in Solo) mentioning that 1SQN came under No. 90 Composite Wing in Malaya during 1950-52, which I've included.
• The deployment of F-111 aircraft to Tindal in 1999 to provide support, if needed, for INTERFET in East Timor should be covered (David Wilson's book Warden to Tanager: RAAF Operations in East Timor covers this)
  • Heh, great minds (as ever)... Believe it or not before I saw your review I thought it might be an idea to check out the F-111C article for any useful tidbits to flesh out its service record a bit here and what you know? I came, I saw, I borrowed... ;-)
• The different roles of the wing's squadrons should be noted (eg, that No. 1 and No. 2 Squadrons were the strike squadrons while No. 6 Squadron was - and remains - primarily an operational conversion unit, though it operated the RF-111s at times along with some Lear Jets for survey work (I think!) and can be used to augment No. 1 Squadron in wartime if really needed). No. 6 Sqn was also the only unit to operate the F-111Gs, and it should be noted that these aircraft were acquired mainly to be used as trainers.
  • Ditto previous comment about great minds... except the part about the Gs mainly being for trainers in 6SQN -- I know this from my days contracting with the RAAF but can't lay my hands on a reliable source for it.
• While not really necessary for GA class, it would be interesting if the article could cover No. 82 Wing's contribution to keeping the F-111s going after the USAF retired the aircraft and Australia was left the sole operator. The book From Controversy to Cutting Edge should be useful for this any other details on the F-111s. Nick-D (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Yep, seen it on the Air Power Dev site but I don't have access to a copy. I feel we've probably got enough detail for a GA-level overview now that I've added things noted above using other sources. Thanks for reviewing, Nick. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Should be all done now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Yep, that all works for me - great work Ian. This probably wouldn't need much more work to pass an ACR. Nick-D (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
        • Thanks a lot, mate. I might take a leisurely stroll through the immediate post-war period at some stage and flesh that out more, partly also to give myself room to add a Lincoln picture at the appropriate point without sandwiching things too much -- now that you've added the Super Hornet shot, a Lincoln is the only major aircraft that's missing from the imagery. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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