Talk:400 Tactical Helicopter Squadron

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move, including 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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No. 400 Squadron RCAF → 400 Tactical Helicopter Squadron — The articles on the squadrons should be at their modern titles rather than their Second World War titles. At this time I request the move of only the currently active squadrons, and I am using the Directorate of History and Heritage as the most authoritative source of correct official titles. Indefatigable (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• No. 402 Squadron RCAF → 402 Squadron
• No. 403 Squadron RCAF → 403 Helicopter Operational Training Squadron
• No. 404 Squadron RCAF → 404 Maritime Patrol and Training Squadron
• No. 405 Squadron RCAF → 405 Maritime Patrol Squadron
• No. 406 Squadron RCAF → 406 Maritime Operational Training Squadron
• No. 407 Squadron RCAF → 407 (Maritime Patrol) Squadron
• No. 408 Squadron RCAF → 408 Tactical Helicopter Squadron
• No. 410 Squadron RCAF → 410 Tactical Fighter Operational Training Squadron
• No. 412 Squadron RCAF → 412 (Transport) Squadron
• No. 413 Squadron RCAF → 413 Transport and Rescue Squadron
• No. 417 Squadron RCAF → 417 Combat Support Squadron
• No. 419 Squadron RCAF → 419 Tactical Fighter Training Squadron
• No. 424 Squadron RCAF → 424 Transport and Rescue Squadron
• No. 425 Squadron RCAF → 425 Tactical Fighter Squadron
• No. 427 Squadron RCAF → 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron
• No. 435 Squadron RCAF → 435 Transport and Rescue Squadron
• No. 436 Squadron RCAF → 436 Transport Squadron
• No. 437 Squadron RCAF → 437 Transport Squadron
• No. 438 Squadron RCAF → 438 Tactical Helicopter Squadron
• No. 442 Squadron RCAF → 442 Transport and Rescue Squadron
• No. 443 Squadron RCAF → 443 Maritime Helicopter Squadron

• Support About time! I was going to do something like this, but I got distracted months ago. The only suggestion I would make is to get rid of the brackets. It may be part of the Official name, but I think WP:COMMONNAME applies in this case. We can add a redirect from the bracketed article name if necessary. Ng.j (talk) 18:58, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
• Support - provided all active squadrons are done. We have have piecemeal attempts to do one or two before and it made a mess. - Ahunt (talk) 19:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
• Comment - guidelines mention "When a unit...has had multiple names over the course of its existence, the title should generally be the last name used; however, exceptions can be made in cases where the subject is clearly more commonly known by one of the previous names". Any of these units more famous in their Second World War incarnation?GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The only one I can think of is "Tiger" Sqn (424), but like most of the articles, there isn't really a lot there to work with. Of course, the fact that Canadians have a horrible time with military history doesn't help. If someone was to look up a sqn, it would most likely be in its current form. Ng.j (talk) 22:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• Support - also note if a squadron has a notable wartime history we can have two separate articles in time. Any reason why some modern names have brackets and some dont 405 Maritime Patrol or 407 (Maritime Patrol). Think they need to be the same format. MilborneOne (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

  I guess the parentheses are due to bureaucratic inconsistency only, so I support yours and Ng.j's suggestion to drop them and use 407 Maritime Patrol Squadron and 412 Transport Squadron instead of my initial proposal. Indefatigable (talk) 21:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - may this not introduce confusion with squadrons with the same number in other Air Forces? JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
• Append "(Canadian Air Force)" or similar to all the page names? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think that using the descriptor as is (Tactical Helicopter Squadron) will be fine. We could append (Canada) or (Canadian Forces), but technically there is no "Canadian Air Force", just Air Command. However, I think that we should avoid over-disambiguation. There are no conflicts with the name as is, and it should be very obvious in the lede that it is an article about a Canadian sqn. Ng.j (talk) 22:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The terminology is "Canada's Air Force"; see: Forces website. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC).

That's just marketing. See Canadian Forces Air Command, specifically the section on the 1968 unification of the Canadian Forces. Ng.j (talk) 04:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

• Support and include any that might have been missed such as No. 440 Squadron RCAF → 440 Transport Squadron. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:25, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

  Thanks, I missed that one because it was not in Category:Canadian Forces aircraft squadrons. After checking Category:Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons, I see that I missed four:

  • No. 423 Squadron RCAF → 423 Maritime Helicopter Squadron
  • No. 426 Squadron RCAF → 426 Transport Training Squadron
  • No. 430 Squadron RCAF → 430 Tactical Helicopter Squadron
  • No. 440 Squadron RCAF → 440 Transport Squadron

  Also, I should mention that I deliberately did not include Snowbirds in this move request because of WP:COMMONNAME. Indefatigable (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Almost all of the Sqns have been moved, except for 427 Special Operations Aviation Squadron which need an admin. Ng.j (talk) 21:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

RCAF

I think some of you are behind the times. Someone in Canada had a sensible caption at last and the RCAF is now actually called RCAF again!!!! Hoorah, and boil looney lefties in oil.Petebutt (talk) 08:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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