Talk:Nissan Skyline GT-R

GT-R

The article states that GT-R is abbreviated for "Gran Turismo Racer, with the word Racer being separated to enhance the performance version" Is this what Nissan claim it to be or is this just an assumption? - Ajax 12:08PM 4th April 2007 (GTM) I don't believe that this is correct, because some very early performance Skyline models were labeled GT-B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.5.160.3 (talk) 19:38, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

It is referred to that GT_B was meant for GT Berlinetta this is not true as the Prince Skyline GT was marketed as the Prince A200 GT. There was the "B" version for the hi performance version and "A" version for the normal road version. There was also a Prince B200 from where the engine for the A200 came from. The "B" had no more meaning than to differentiate it from the "A" model, that is simply "B" or "A". The only visible external difference in the A and B model was the colour of the GT side badge. There was visible difference internally and under the bonnet Les228 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Les228 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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--- some of the sections on this page look like they've been put through a translator. resulting in a horrible, barely understandable mess. ---

Don't worry, fixed parts of it last night. Took care of the horribly garbled KPGC110 section --yummyfire

Need to replace first image in title, Its not a GTR. Car pictured is an R33 GTS-t.. Have to get a nice R34 GTR pic in there me thinks! :p

Can use the R-34 GT-R M Spec Nur pic that I put in the main Skyline article. Or can find another pic of that car in my photos :) I do feel it would be appropriate as the last production version of the GT-R thus far. (Since the new GT-R is not in production yet) I can also provide a pic of the of the back end of the car, that has both the skyline and GT-R logo, which also seems appropriate. --Preveen 12:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

SKYLINE'S RULE!!!..especially the skyline R-34

--- A used R-34 will cost around 95 000 USD in the states. I don't really think that is a "considerably lower price" compared to the Porsche 911

Not necessarily true, you can find used models for $50,000 or less even. It's not common, but they are available. And R32 you can find in Canada for $10,000. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.223.201.91 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

The GTR cost 95000 if it is from Motorex, They are making a huge profit from it.

--- R-34s aren't supposed to be sold in the States, coz they only come in right had drive. The extra expense is probably due to the conversion. Outside the States, I belive the cost runs into somewhere between 50K-60K USD. --Preveen 09:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The new price in Japan while the R34 was still in production stuck around JPY 4.5 million, which is about US$40,000. Similar to the Toyota Supra in the US market, though, since the end of production used-market prices have held extremely high. In the UK the R34 GT-R was marketed right around £50,000. — AKADriver ☎ 14:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

LHD Conversion has nothign to do with the outrageous price. That is the price you pay due to market forces and importation costs. Well that's very expensive for what it is. I think I'd go with a Porsche from that era rather than a Skyline. CJ DUB 17:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

R-34's arent sold in the States not because they are RHD, but because nissan didnt import them here and the prices are so high mostly because you have to do all the emissions and registration

The reason did have something to do with the fact that they were right hand drive. Nissan listed the fact that re-doing the plumbing for the twin-turbo's to compensate for the fact that the stearing collumn was now on the wrong side would cost more than the profit they would make by selling it here. Oh, and in Canada R32's can be had for as low as $10000 canadian thanks to the 15-year importation law that says that if a car is 15 years old or older you can import it with far less restriction. It's not perfectly legal, but you can buy a skyline in canada imported like this, bring it to the united states, and register it as a 240sx. It's not completely legal, but their isn't a fine. It's not fraud since you're taking a loss in insurance levels and rights.

And by the by, the emissions complaints are bollocks, because the Skyline is far cleaner, far more fuel effecient, and safer than many cars made by US companies.

You can get an r-34 in the states however they come with a hefty price tag and in some states you must convert them to LHD as well as pay for the new VIN and so on.

Need a pic of an R32 from the front as well as more information on the R34.

NOTE: US DOT does not require cars to be left-hand drive. If an automanufacture wanted to create a car and sell it in the US as a left-hand drive, they can. But most American's wouldn't buy such cars. But I will.

• • • I was working on importing these cars into the US this summer so I gained a lot of info from the horse's mouth which included a trip to Japan.

1. The fact the car is RHD (right hand drive) has nothing to do with its legality. As long as the car meets US DOT safety criteria for its class it can be driven from the backseat for all they care. This is the reason why most postal vans are RHD and legal. Also I have not heard about any states not allowing RHD cars to not be registered. I work out of Cali so this is correct as far as I know.

2. Also, the emissions are a major problem with this car because in Japan and Europe, gas is of a much higher octane (95-99),*Europe and japan also use a different octane measurement, RON as opposed to PON, 95-99 RON is pretty much equal to 89-93 PON* this means that it burns more controlled and gives a highly turbo-charged car better emissions and burn control over the fuel. If you leave the car stock, this isn't too much a problem, but with the fact that most (by most I mean the vast majority, 90%) of cars on the Japanese market are modded to hell and most are sold because drivers can't afford to have them pass vehicle inspections that year. I drove plenty of these cars. Most go out and get turbo timers, gauges, exhausts, software, and the electronics to override the adjustable wastegates for more boost. This means bad emissions, that most cars can't pass with US and especially 10% ethanol gas (which basically lowers the octane rating by one without people realizing the 91 is really 90 after the ethanol is added).

3. QUOTEIt's not perfectly legal, but you can buy a skyline in canada imported like this, bring it to the united states, and register it as a 240sx. It's not completely legal, but their isn't a fine. It's not fraud since you're taking a loss in insurance levels and rights. /QUOTE

Fruad is fraud, try telling the cop that pulls you over that. Car will be crushed, no questions asked, this is a federal FELONY. You are putting down insurance fraud, registration fraud, and tax evasion. Don't risk it, trust me I looked at a lot of ways to get it in with little worry. Very few ways seemed feasible. This was one of those I wrote off the list. Understand the legal system before you do something like that. Fraud is fraud even if you are taking a hit.

4. The cars are not brought in because they are not crash tested. When Motorex (anyone remember that fiasco?) did testing on the R33, they lied and said it was good for the R32 & 34 too. Wasn't true. While 32/34 is illegal to bring in, the 33 isn't (although who really wants that?) What you can do is bring those in and mod them to be legal and then register. still about 20-30k after said and done, but its possible. Until someone wants to sacrifice 10 R34's and 10 32's (please not GT-Rs) to crash testing, none of those are legal. Your best shot is to bring in an 32 under the guise its a 33. Basically if a car has a US equivalent, then you can argue and use that crash test data (eg. FD RX-7, Supra, Silvia), but if there is not comprable vehicle, which is proven there isn't you must get it certified.

5. QUOTE A used R-34 will cost around 95 000 USD in the states. I don't really think that is a "considerably lower price" compared to the Porsche 911 /QUOTE

Yeah, I think the author was refering to Japan where it can be had for less than $25k, a lot less than a Porsche. However, the Nissan is a lot more reliable.

Also I have some pics of R-34s and such as well as some RB 26 motors I took while at Nismo Omuri Factory in Tokyo and USS auto auctions. 64.128.205.226 08:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well to add my 2 cents about Illegal cars in the states. the R34 has no acceptable side impact beems, no acceptable safety glass, less then acceptable emissions, no steel beam front or rear bumpers, seatbelts that don't meet US crass standards, most cars outside the states are this way, well most pre-late 90's cars atleast. if you want to bring ANY car into the states WITHOUT having anyone touch it it either has to be 25 years old or older, or Registered as a race or show car. My friend just took an 81 mini cooper back to America and didn't have to do anything to it. He also took back an older TVR, which he registered as a collectors/show car. everytime he reregisters that TVR he has to log milage and events he takes it too. so if he drives it regularly, it gets impounded. Yes skylines are badass but just do what i'm doing, buy the car in parts/sections and register it as a kit car. WAY less then 60k to 95k (i'm spending about 45k altogether including assembly. on an unmodified car mind you). oh yeah one last thing....the US could care less if the car is right hand drive left hand drive or center driver, as long as it passes emisions and safety if you buy a factory car.

Modification

Can we please keep the Modification section limited to general information, rather than an info-dump for someones personal opinion. Someone made a huge 'Stage-1 Tuning Guide'. Alot of that information was wrong, but that is not for me or anyone to argue, because that kind of information doesnt belong here in the first place.

144.139.5.144 11:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC) The company Veilside in Japan have both their R32 and 34 GTRs to produce 1400 hp (not 1200hp), as well as doin it with the standard 2.6L capacity. The closest that i have know of is the Croydon Racing Developments R33 GTR of Australia, which produces 1350hp, but with a 2.7L stroker motor.

I think that info-dumping in the mod section is always gonna happen, so it should just be edited enough to avoid personal opinion and just place in the hard facts. Info dumping is fine, as long as it's facts and not opinion and doesn't just become a stats sheet for a bunch of aftermarket companies.63.196.61.3 17:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The "Modification" section is utterly juvenile as a whole. Any vehicle can be modified to any extent and there are countless other cars out there with significantly broader aftermarket and enthusiast support.--Setsunakute (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

revert

I've reverted the edits by 68.64.55.74 to the last version by me. The added content was unrefernced, unencyclopedic and linkspam. Zunaid 09:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

re: History of the brand

Quoting this bit "the 1989- GT-Rs remained (relatively) cheap. Although unconfirmed, it is even rumoured that they were sold at a loss. Although strange today, this cavalier attitude to marketing was common among Japanese car manufacturers of the late 1980s and early 1990s."

If that was true, then why Nissan went ahead and rather then just stopping at 5000 they were required to by the FIA, they went on to build 43,000 of them? In the UK, they were sold when grey imported and new at £35,000. I will be placing a .‹The template Talkfact is being considered for merging.›  mark thereWillirennen 16.00 11 May 2006

That's obviously false, with a but - just about everything Nissan sold in the '90s was "at a loss" as the company was hemmoraging cash. It's quite possible that even selling 43000 units didn't cover R&D costs, but then just about every subsequent Nissan product benefited from the GT-R development program. — AKADriver ☎ 14:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

No that information isn't false. the R32 skyline cost Nissan close to 6.5 million yen to produce each car. they were sold for around 4.5 million Yen each. i found that information in a hard-cover book released distributed by Nissan themselves. i will try to find the ISBN number of the book, so it can be referenced. until then i will leave it out of the article. Impreziv 04:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Z-tune

Z-tunes are reconditioned/rebuilt autos. The article read like they were a resurrected platform, so I fixed it. Nissan/Nismo used low-mileage cars to built the 20 Z-tunes. CJ DUB 16:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Really old thread but an anon-IP has added it back in. Should we delete it again? Here are some reference that say they are rebuilt specials by Nismo, not new production units by Nissan.

• http://www.netcarshow.com/nismo/2005-nissan_skyline_r34_gtr_z_tune/ (no date, possibly cyclic info from an earlier version of the WP article)
• http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/nissan/gt-r-nismo/first-drives/nissan-skyline-gt-r-z-tune-what-nismo-did-its-20th-anniver (13 December 2005 ) Stepho  talk  07:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Mount Panorama

"The GT-R's success at Mount Panorama in 1991 and 1992, both by Jim Richards"

This is not correct as in 1991 and 1992 Jim Richards was paired with Mark Skaife. Mark as the number 1 driver and Jim as number 2. Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathurst_1000 for more info under Mount Panorama section. 51LNC

New GTR

shouldn't the new Nissan GTR be placed in it's own article as it dosen't bear the "Skyline" name or chassis anymore? 138.162.128.41 19:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

no because when they come out they will bear the skyline name —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tekwon (talk • contribs)

That is completely false. Skyline is and will be a separate car. The Infiniti G35 is the current Nissan Skyline in Japan. The next GT-R will stand alone and have no relation to the Skyline badge. This has been stated by Nissan. Visit the North American GT-R Owners' Club for the latest in GT-R information.

As and when the new GT-R comes out, and IF it does not bear the Skyline name-plate, it will probably get its own article. For the time being it belongs here, not least because it is still a future product and the info is still speculative. Zunaid 13:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree with the policy, and it looks like the move date is getting closer, with the release of the V36, as mentioned in the main Skyline page. It might be useful considering if we should keep the Skyline GT-Rs in this page, rename the page for the GT-R and mention that the GT-R is decended from the older generation Skyline GT-Rs, which is as much a part of its history as its beginings with Prince and the older GTS models that foreran the GT-Rs. It should easily fit into the current layout of the article. In sum, no Skyline GT-R page, only a GT-R page. --Preveen 16:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope the new Skyline comes with a new four-wheel steering and four-wheel drive. :) Engine by Cosworth? I want an Nismo/Nissan-engine. ;) I hope one of the award winning VQ-series.

ca. 450hp? Is that a supercar?

The Engine information hasn't fully been released to the public yet, from what i have read various places (ie: magazines. internet and so on...) Nissan has taken it upon themselves to design a new engine to create the unbelievable high horsepower but will come at a price around 75-80,000 CDN...

I have read and seen pitures of the new Skyline GTR. It is a 3.6Lt V6 Twin Turbo, it is a VQ based engine like the 350Z and the Infiniti, so I assume its a VQ36DETT. Release date end of 2007. So still a while. Have a look for yourself: http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/news/article.php?storyid=21 -Ajax

If you're lucky, it'll be a VQ36HETT, using the newer VQxxHE higher-revving variant as a base, or borrowing head design. That'll boost the peak HP numbers at least, even if it doesn't help any with real performance. But a blown VQ36HETT would be RATHER nice.. Personally I was expecting an under-stroked version arou.d 3.3L or 3.2L to allow them to maximize the peak HP and use the high boost to get real performance.. but w/ a 3.6 or 3.7 liter engine w/ healthy boost, preferably with either sequential turbos or a lag-management system(Plenty of systems out there to license if they can't design their own) to make the engine truly fun to drive.. Maybe, just MAYBE its performance will be worth the $80k they'll be asking for it. The sad thing is I expect a Corvette C6 Z06 to meet or beat it on the track, just because of how 'luxurious' they supposedly want to make the new GT-R. all that luxury is going to add weight, which will kill performance. I can't believe that they'll be able to make a car the same price that has higher quality and luxury and performance, unless they're trying to use it as a 'halo car' and sell it at a loss to make a lot of good PR. - Araemo

The story and the magazine it samples from the above link don't agree on the engine's displacement. The magazine says the new engine will displace 3.7 litres but the actual article states 3.6.

-Yeah I posted that article. Iam not to sure who to believe, is the article correct or did the website make a mistake? Looks like the article is "Questioning" it might be a 3.7Lt -Ajax 11:03pm 10 January

I'm sorry but the fact that it doesn't have the RB26DETT engine is an atrocity. It isn't a Skyline GT-R without an Inline-6 "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty" 10:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The new GTR really doesn't belong in this article because it's not a skyline. They're two completely separate cars. Every car in the world that has "GTR" in the title doesn't belong in the skyline GTR article, so I dont see why the Nissan GTR would belong here - it is NOT a Nissan skyline GTR, it's simply a Nissan GTR. I'm probably going to go ahead and make a new article and copy the GTR section over there where it actually belongs, unless anyone can provide a good reason not to. The fact that the car is not yet released is not a good reason to put it in here or else we would have to put every unreleased car in the world in this one article. Hugzz 12:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok done. Nissan GT-R. Hugzz 10:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hugzz you might want to check the photos again. It has "SKYLINE" embosed on the rear bumper below the boot / trunk lid. - Ajax 4:26PM, 23 February 2007

Could you please point me in the direction of a photo showing that? The rear photo in the Nissan GT-R article certainly doesn't seem to show the word "skyline" on it, and all the spy photos of the new GTR seem to have a car-bra on covering the rear, so no words are visible. But if there are photos of it claiming to be a skyline than that would definately be a tad embarrasing for me :p Hugzz 10:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

See Office Nissan GT-R website. There is absolutely no mention of the word "skyline". Nissan simply calls it the "Nissan GT-R". I can only assume the the photo you saw was either a fake, an older nissan, or an Infiniti G35 (called "Nissan Skyline" in japan), which looks somewhat similar to the Nissan GT-R, but is an entirely different car. Hugzz 03:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hugzz check out the link I posted earlier - http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modules/news/article.php?storyid=21

I don't think its a fake nor its an old model and don't think its an Infiniti G35 either. There are 3 Pics, Front, Side and Rear. Check out the Rear one and you can just see the word SKYLINE. - Ajax 2:01PM, 26 February 2007

Hi Ajax! Thanks very much for providing an image as requested. However, those images are obvious photoshops. Its reasonably common for the japanese automotive press to photoshop cars or draw up their own prototypes based on expectations. The article is from mid-2006 yet claims to have "confirmed" that it's a 3.6L engine, even though current speculation is leaning towards 3.7L (we still dont know what the engine size will be, so their claim that they have "confirmed" it is untrue). The car in the picture with "skyline" on the back has silver rear lights, even though the Nissan GT-R Proto had red rear lights, as does the Nissan GT-Rs that have been seen around the streets in america and various race tracks for testing. Their image of the front of the car is an obvious photoshop combining photos of both the GTR-proto and the Nissan Skyline GTR R34. I can provide photo comparisons later if you'd like, however I'm very confident that those are photoshops, and that the Nissan GT-R is NOT a skyline. See see the Office Nissan GT-R website. If anyone has further evidence that it may be a "skyline" i'd love to hear it, however I dont think this magazine was a reputable source.. and well, the nissan website disagrees Hugzz 10:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I did notice the Rear Pic was in silver / Black+White and if the front was Photoshopped then that 1 hell of a good job! But I can see the GTR Logo on the Front Pic abit blured. If you DO have comparisions I would like to see them. Like I said before the website is saying it's a 3.6L but the pics (looking like it's taken from a magazine), is Questioning it may be a 3.7L You already have people driving around in the new GTRs in the USA? - Ajax 11:48AM 27 February 2007

It gets confusing sometimes between Skykline V35 / Infiniti G35, because Infiniti is like the "Luxury" brand for Nissan as like Lexus to Toyota. In JPN is called a Skyline V35 Where as in the USA I believe it's a Infiniti G35. Similar to the Nissan 200SX (AUS) in JPN it's a Silvia and 180SX but the USA have it as a 240SX - Ajax 11:58AM 27 February 2007

Ajax, you are wrong my friend, the 180sx (JP) and the 200sx (US) are the same car, the 240sx was a completely different monster. Don't confuse those. However, Lexus and Infinity Brands are slowly showing up in Japanese showrooms because even in Japan they are stopping the homologation of these brands. The new Lexus "IS" is no longer the Altezza, but rather known by the same name here as there.

Off topic but anyway I bought it up...I believe the 180SX and 240SX are only different because of the engines that were given but the car had similar if not same body shape.

180SX = 1.8 L CA18DET / 2.0 L SR20DE / 2.0 L SR20DET all Inline 4 N/A or Turbo. (Jap Spec)

240SX = 2.4 L KA24E / 2.4 L KA24DE both Inline 4 N/A. (USA Spec)

180SX (JP) = 200SX (USA), as you said...Yes! Only because they both came out with an SR20DET engine but different bodyshape.

The S14 with the SR20DET engine is (Jap Spec) = 200SX (USA / AUS Spec)

The S14 with 2.4 L KA24DE engine = (USA Spec)

Sorry getting too off topic. - Ajax 10:36PM 7 April 2007

Personally I have strong moral obligations not to include the new GT-R as anything more than just a brief snippet. The reason is because the Skyline was always a performance machine. Total and complete (GT-R at least). The new Skyline strays away from what the car was designed for. Its price, weight, and even motor shows that it is no longer the same car that once was. Skyline were defined by a Inline-6 motor (its reliability and durability as a motor is vastly superior to just about any other engine design. Changes like this in the car away from the vision of past generations truly make it a very different car, thus a different article would be required.

Amazing achievment

Could someone please put in a paragraph or two about its monumental success at the Nurburgring?

Due to the development of the GTR R34 as is stated in the artical, there is a Nissan Skyline GTR R34 VspecII Nür. Named after the Nurburgring race track in Germany. The engine was improved and based on the N1 RB26DETT, Iam guessing with N1 or upgraded ballbearing Twin Turbos and engine parts. I believe the NISMO Z-Tune Z1 and Z2 was taken to Nurburgring for testing and developed aswell. Someone can help me out here -Ajax 9 March 2007 1:26PM

It doesn't mention, however, that the reason there is a Nurburgring special is because the R34 holds the record for fastest time around by a production car.

Probably because it's not true, if the Nordschleife fastest lap times page is to be half-way believed. Scott Paeth 20:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It did hold the fastest time for a production car. Just read the article, Scott. :P Fafas (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Turbo Chargers

I believe that the standard GTR Twin Turbos produce 10 Psi (0.7 Bar) of Boost. The GTRs come standard with a boost gauge and it reads +7 at the highest point of the gauge. Even after installing an aftermarket Boost gauge its reads it quite accuratly and the pointer goes up to 0.7 Bar. -Ajax

Actually, the Skyline GT-R measures boost pressure in Torr! Well, at least my R32 does, anyways. -TBarb

Whats "Torr" TBarb? -Ajax

1 torr = 0.0193367747 pounds per square inch- Alain

It's a non-SI measurement of pressure based on the ability to move a millimetre of mercury which is named after the abbreviated name of Italian scientist Evangelista Torricelli, which is why the units on the guage are in Torr (or "mmHg"). The GT-R either maxes at 7 or 0.7 Torr of boost pressure. 0.7 seems more realistic, because 450 PSI is just insane with the stock turbochargers! -TBarb

I see...yeah my stock and HKS Boost Gauge have that "mmHg" on it too, but I know all the numbers are based on Bar as well. BTW 450 PSI GTR = we could probley fly to the moon and back! Or win just about every race we enter. HaHa!! -Ajax

actually, the stock boost pressure is 7psi (0.5bar) on the stock R32 R33 and R34 GTR models. the boost gauge does read in mmHg, but the needle shouldnt go above 5 mmHg. if it goes up to 7 mmHg, then the previous owner (or yourself) has removed the brass boost restricter in the boost solenoid. its an easy mod to raise you boost. - impreziv

Hmmm... I guess that would explain it, then. -TBarb

Really?!...I see, well I thought the standard boost gauge reads up to 0.7 and the needle should go up that far, I thought it was normal. Ha! learn something new! -Ajax

By the way TBarb, does the Boost level vary from say Jap Spec and Aus Spec GTRs? eg. is the Jap Spec boost level more than the Aus Spec? -Ajax

no the Jap-spec and Aus-spec ones are the same. to my knowledge the only thing that was different was the radio/cassette unit, and the english writing in the owners manual (along with safety and compliancy stickers/stamps on the chassis, confirming australian compliancy) Impreziv 04:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

--Oh hey "Impreziv"! sorry thought you were "TBarb"...Thanks for the update. Also I have noticed that the Jap Spec don't have indicators on the front left and right handside of the panels (between the wheel arch and the door) but I think the Aus Spec one does, true? -Ajax 10:47pm, 10 January

That is false. The indicators are clearly on the fenders behind both wheel arches. They are above the historic GT-R badge on both sides.--Setsunakute (talk) 08:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

^^Hmm... ok... mine don't have it. It was an import from Japan, unless the previous owner took it off and did a perfect job covering up the holes...

Ajax 3:38PM 10th December 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.174.164 (talk) 04:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no side indicators on the fenders of the BNR32. I suspected you were talking about the newer generations.--Setsunakute (talk) 04:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

References

In light of my comments above, I'd like to start a section here where we can post just the web links to reliable sources for the purpose of writing this article in a neutral and well-referenced way. Reliable sources would be:

• Official Nissan and Nismo websites and press releases, but only for factual information. Such information should carry a footnote saying that it is manufacturer's own claims.
• Reviews by well-respected sources, preferably internationally available sources, such as car magazines, etc.
• Modification specs by well-respected car modification and tuning sources
• Results in various sanctioned and well-respected racing series
• Bias and suggestion of bias must be avoided, so sources which are specific to Japanese cars or of Japanese origin should generally be avoided.

Basically anything other than these can and probably should be considered unreliable and/or fancruft. Just a note from the Wikipedia article on verifiability:

1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources.
2. Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be removed by any editor.
3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to INCLUDE the material, NOT on those seeking to remove it.

Examples (using entirely made up names, please remove these once you start adding REAL references):

• Official Nissan Skyline GT-R page
• Official Nismo Z-tune page
• SomeWebSite's review of the R33 Skyline
• CarTuner's modified 500 bhp Skyline R34 (caveat: you have to demonstrate that CarTuner is a well-respected source, and that a 500 hp skyline is somehow significant i.e. is it the MOST powerful Skyline? Or are there hundreds of 500 hp Skylines out there, in which case it is hardly worth mentioning.)

Zunaid 13:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Many petrol-heads have hit the 1000hp mark with Skylines ([link]). yandman 09:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have modified the restrictions on what is a reliable reference source. I believe that we should be as selective with references as possible and make sure not to use references which might be considered biased. Nasty 16:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 1 torr = 0.0193367747 pounds per square inch- Alain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.101.89 (talk) 02:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

What the...

handling equal or superior to that of European icons like the Porsche 911 and the Ferrari Testarossa,

right.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jcforge (talk • contribs) 13:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Someone needs to learn what these cars did. These cars were more capable than most of the things that were released in Europe. Desipte Ferrari being a name of names, there are cars that can compete with them. Stock for stock. Add the fact that these cars were serverly limited by engine programming designed to fit certain standards of hp and fuel consumption, whcih means that basic engine modifications and the removal of these restrictions increase performance beyond what most people can imagine. The biggest problem is that most people in the US have never even heard of the Skyline, let alone seen or felt its performance possibilities. This car is that powerful, and one of the most fun cars I have ever driven.

An encyclopedia needs sources, not your experience in driving what is ultimately a fairly mediocre "fanboy" car!123.255.55.133 12:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

^^Whoever said that could not have said it any better. WELL DONE!

Ajax 2nd July 2007 3:41PM

An encyclopedia does need sources, but it can do without PERSONAL BIAS. Calling it a "mediocre fanboy car" is a far cry from that which Wikipedia strives for, as is simply stating it as one of the best cars you have driven. Reputable sources are required, not judgmental and unfair declarations. Thus, "whoever said that," really shouldn't have said it all, Ajax. Though some have overrated the car, it does not excuse underrating, either.

Yes true, I have mis-read. The GTR is NOT a mediocre fanboy car, it is great as it can be and can be better.

Ajax 23rd August 2007 11:39AM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.219.6.37 (talk) 01:41, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

The GT-R has achieved what it could have achieved, and could not have done so in a more iconic fashion. Nissan rightfully has no regrets regarding the Red Emblem, so leave it at that. There is no sense in wishing "it could have been better" when it has already shaken up, alongside its NSX brethren, the performance motoring niche with a chilling effect. And the claim that the coupe is "better than" x European super-sedan/-coupe needs to be removed as "better" is subjective to countless aspects of a motor vehicle. If you want to reinforce that claim purely on lap times, then it will depend on the circuit, but any motoring aficionado will tell you that racing circuits are almost never an indication of roadworthiness, at any level.--Setsunakute (talk) 07:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Markets

Someone who's in the know should make it clear in the article which versions of the GT-R were sold in which markets. Were all GT-Rs right-hand-drive? Were they sold in, say, Great Britain? The article should at least point the reader in the right direction... Scott Paeth 20:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes all GTR's were made for JDM = right-hand-drive and they were sold in Great Britain or imports rather.

I'm afraid not. As I understand it, 80 R34 GTRs were made for the UK market. These 'UK Spec' machines were RHD but featured leather upholstery. siranui —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 21:05, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

No - Australia received a homolgation run of 200 gtr's. As far as I know, thats it though (and they are ALL RHD.)

Yes I know they were sold in Australia, I was refering to Scott Paeth question.

Ajax 2nd July 2007 3:45PM

Imports to the UK market were done by private contract with a British Nissan dealer in very, very limited quantities in the early to mid-90s.--Setsunakute (talk) 07:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC) The uk dealer was Middlehurst in St helens

ATCC Regs

I removed a section stating that the ATCC regs were changed because of the success of the GT-R at Bathurst. This is false information, there were many other contributing factors that brought upon the change to the V8 Supercar format. 210.49.66.235 11:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

tunability

shouldn't there be a section on the extreme tunability of the last Skyline? 132.205.44.5 (talk) 05:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The...

"The KPGC10's successor, the , " The what?--Fluence (talk) 23:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Expanded the article.

Changed some things around, took some of the sentences from the article and added it to the introduction. I also added some sources.

I was surprised that the intro was very short, since other car articles are bigger but the Skyline GT-R has much more history and only a small sentence was written in the introduction.

I made sure there was no repeats as well, if there is please feel free to change it. And don't be afraid to change some things around guys, I probably made some mistakes maybe someone car re-word it better than I can; so if you don't like what I did, feel free to edit. Gouryella (talk) 09:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Motorsport section

Sounds like it came out of a Nissan brochure. Where are the records of other manufacturers "realizing they couldn't keep up" and "thus withdrawing" etc ... no citations at all. Also citations are needed for the "wave of protests" .. "from European manufacturers" etc... please don't remove the tag until these issues are resolved. 123.255.23.7 (talk) 09:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Pennzoil NISMO GT-R

"This variant of the Skyline GT-R produced approximately 500HP, and capable of around 200 mph. Without the 500 HP limiter, the car has 700HP and capable of around 240+mph."

Since the heavenly Mclaren F1 can only do 241mph from 627HP, who says this is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.27.238 (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I doubt that it is true. -67.176.175.142 (talk) 19:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

V-Spec N1 models

Are we sure they didn't have ABS? I'm asking because I've seen pictures of both an R33 V-Spec N1 and an R34 V-Spec N1, and both vehicles had ABS actuators/modulators under their hoods. -67.176.175.142 (talk) 17:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

BNR34 N1 did have ABS - this is 100% correct, and hence I have edited infomation in the main text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikirehab75 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

How many Nissan Skyline GT-Rs registered in Poland (imported from the UK)

I Google-searched the images of the all Nissan Skyline GT-Rs registered in Poland, but I couldn't find any pictures of all Polish-registered Skylines.

Can anyone tell me "how many JDM Skyline GT-Rs in Poland, imported from the UK?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiel457 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Those were unofficial private imports. It is unlikely that you will ever find a reliable number.  Stepho  talk  23:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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This article is seriously outdated. The current GT-R is on sale in Asia/Europe and about to be released in Australia/NZ. It's also one of the fastest production cars in history around the Ring, eclipsing the Porsche Turbo and it's a 1/3 of the price.

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Isn't this missing a one generation?

Hi editors. I was playing Gran Turismo 4 today and I decided to look for some car facts. However, I saw that I had skylines R31 generations in the game. So I was wondering if they existed at all. I'd like you guys to dig deeper into this. I was pretty sure I saw some R31 GTR models as well

There was a R31 GTS-R but not a GT-R. Toasted Meter (talk) 21:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Need to delete the Motorsports claimed after tuning the car

We need to remove the Motorsports claimed after tuning the car. Because this page's created for just know to information about Nissan's Skyline GT-R. Not to read about tuned unknown Skyline GT-R's. And other higher tunebility car's ( such as the Nissan GT-R, Toyota Supra) Wikipedia page's don't have anything about tuned vehicle's performance. So why we need to keep it for only this vehicle. If a car get tuned it's not the manufacturer's car because they replacing engine,transmission,suspension,drivetrain and ect. So removing this thing from this page is the most good thing. Please reply to my discussion. Muffyogsan (talk) 09:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Disputed content: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nissan_Skyline_GT-R&diff=947020780&oldid=945981066

• That sections states the car has broken various speed records over certain miles which to me is encyclopedic information, Having read Drag racing it does state funny cars are generally carbon fibre body and tilt however looking at the GT-R on Google there is no tilting so therefore I would assume the car is the real deal,

Generally we should feature all motorsports not just one specific one (ie grand prix etc|. –Davey2010^Talk 10:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey I seen it that you typed (looking at the GT-R on Google). Why can't understand? That car aerodynamically changed. And it's engine,transmission etc. All are changed than the Nissan Skyline GT-R. So how can you call it a Nissan. It is not a Nissan. If you hope add these thing you need to create a new page. It can't add in Nissan Skyline GT-R because it is not a Nissan. Please try to understand. Muffyogsan (talk) 12:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

And ? .... Either way it's still a Skyline ..... Changing various things to it doesn't make it something else ..... If the exterior is a Skyline ... and the inside interior is a Skyline .... then it's a Skyline as far as I'm concerned, Please try to understand this. –Davey2010^Talk 13:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

"If the exterior is a Skyline ... and the inside interior is a Skyline .... then it's a Skyline" what is this? Yeah agreed it is skyline. I'm not saying it is not a skyline. I'm saying when changed whole car from Nissan's Design how is it gonna be a Nissan Skyline GT-R? Tell me that. This page is for Nissan Skyline GT-R. That powered by the RB26DETT which is generating only 276hp-330hp. Not for a Over 1000hp Skyline GT-R.

If you hope to add tuned skyline performance add it to a new page. That named as tuned company's skyline GT-R. Don't add to Nissan Skyline GT-R. I just hope you understood right now. Muffyogsan (talk) 13:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I should've been clearer but even if engine, transmission, performance etc etc are all changed IMHO it's still a Skyline,

I know things might have changed inside but for me if the exterior is unchanged as well as the inside then I would still consider it a Skyline and even with things being tuned etc I would still consider it a Skyline, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 13:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, listen I'm also love skylines and it's tunebility. Yeah you're right. It's a Skyline. But it's changed whole thing that manufactured by Nissan then How can you say it is a Nissan. So can't add it in this "NISSAN" Skyline GT-R page. For a example take the Hennessey tuner company. They build a dodge viper that generating over 1000hp. And it's name was "Hennessey Viper Twin Turbo" or something. So it's a Hennessey Viper. Not a Dodge Viper. So this is also just like that. This tuned skyline is not a Nissan Skyline. It's unknown Skyline. So please remove these things from this page. Thank you. Muffyogsan (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Race cars are not stock road cars, the Group A cars and the cars that won Bathurst were not running at stock boost and with stock suspension, many of these cars were run by privateer teems who did not care if the parts came from NISMO or Bob's engine builders. Toasted Meter (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Race cars can allow because they are built by manufacturer and they are allowed with racing conditions. But other motorsports need to remove. Because they're not race cars. They were specially tuned for quater-mile time.they were not build by manufacturer and manufacturer parts. Then what's the reasons for keep them in this NISSAN's Skyline GT-R page? Muffyogsan (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

It's all racing, no matter if it's in a straight line, against other cars or just a clock. I see no reason to care if they go around corners. The cars that won at Bathurst were not anywhere close to stock, and certainly did not only use NISMO parts [1]. Toasted Meter (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah but they were produced by Nissan. But this car's don't have anything produced by Nissan right? So why we need to keep it on this NISSAN Skyline GT-R page? Please try to understand. Muffyogsan (talk) 05:45, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

They still have most of the unibody, many panels and some engine parts. Toasted Meter (talk) 06:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Can prove it that many panels and some engine parts build by Nissan? And whole car made by Nissan? No other parts were include? Can you prove it? If you can prove it I'll agree with you. Muffyogsan (talk) 07:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Please do not reinstate the content otherwise you will be blocked for edit warring, As has been explained to you by myself and Toasted Meter irrespective of performance/"under the hood" changes it's still a Skyline GT-R and that isn't going to change,

You do have other options such as WP:RFC, WP:30 and WP:DRN however given 2 people have told you the same thing it would be unwise to further drag this out but ofcourse that's up to you, Either way the content still remains so please stop removing it. Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 15:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Then why some editors removing performance claimed with tuned cars in some sports car pages. Muffyogsan (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

No idea, Could you tell us which articles these are please?, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 10:56, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

in Nissan GT-R. But I can't surely remember who removed them but he's name was just like Toasted Meter's name. Can I add informations for it just like in here? Muffyogsan (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused ? ... You've just said people are removing drag racing from other articles ? ...., You're more than welcome to add content providing it's backed up by reliable sources, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 11:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A'right thanks! Muffyogsan (talk) 11:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Just to be clear, we have to be careful about whether claims are made for a stock car (as it was sold by a dealer) and claims made for a modified car. Anything in a "motorsports" section can usually be assumed to be for modified vehicle. Anything outside of a "motorsports" must be for a stock vehicle - possible exception if it is made very clear that it is a modified vehicle but the number of these should be minimised. For claims inside motorsports sections, only notable claims (with references of course) should be made. We don't want every weekend racer posting his personal results.

As a general rule, we try to document only factory cars on WP. If we document tuner cars then we will have a list a thousand lines long. We make a bit of an except for the Skyline because it has such a strong relation with the aftermarket community (much more so than most cars) but we try to keep it to only the most notable stuff that is useful to the majority of readers.

Muffyogsan, when replying to someone else, please copy the number of colons they used, plus one more.  Stepho  talk  23:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

R34 GT-R Z Tune Top speed

I'm getting conflicting reports about the top speed of the R34 GTR Z Tune. The article says 203mph at the moment, and as does The Drive and Auto Motor Und Sport, but Road And Track is saying its electrically governed to 155mph, and EVO says it has an estimated 180mph top speed. I'm no expert on these, so anyone here able to weigh in? TKOIII (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

In case of "High performance"

As per MOS:PUFFERY, the word "High performance" isn't there, so I think it doesn't meet the "peacock terms". And also "High performance" have been used in serveral WP page's lead sections, also accepted by WP editors (for e.g see Porsche 911's WP page). So why you keep complaining it's a PUFFERY? Game for Game (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm a little busy in real life, but to address your points - WP:OTHERSTUFF exists for the explicit reason to counter a defence that because xxxx is in article "A" it is also justified in being in article "B". This is not the case, and although you can draw parallels, they are not automatic reasons to include. MOS:PUFFERY is not an exclusive list. The phrase "Dang tootin' fast as a greased snake falling down a pipe" isn't listed either, but we wouldn't accept that as a valid term.

In all honesty, I can kind of see your point, as yes, it is high performance, even taking into account the subjective nature of the term - but do we really need to clarify that when we've already said that it's a sports car? One cannot have a low performance sports car, as the two are mutually exclusive. To me it seems like you're just ramming the point home, and it's unnecessary. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

But, just like me there's lot of editors accepted and added the word "High performance" for this kind of sports cars. And I don't know why they were not such a problem for you. When looking at this issue and we leaving the word "High performance" only for this WP page and others were not such a thing is reminds me the word "stupidity". Because this page or other pages are isn't special or deferent to bear the word "High performance" or not. If they were same as this, isn't the word "High performance" have to be removed from them too? Game for Game (talk) 14:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm 50/50 on this. I generally prefer to not use such qualifiers but it's also useful to show that it is more than some low-end sportscars. Eg, the Mazda MX-5 is a sportscar that handles nice but has a much lower performance engine compared to the Skyline GT-R. Thus, the Skyline GT-R is more performance orientated. MOS:PUFFERY doesn't rule out such qualifiers - it's more for over-the-top expressions such as "the iconic Skyline GT-R is an fantastically awesome sportscar".  Stepho  talk  17:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

A bit more from me, especially to use  Stepho   example a bit further: Using the term "high performance" may be justified when referring to a jazzed up version of a regular car. Such as describing the Mazdaspeed MX-5 as a "high performance version of the regular MX-5". This gives a point of reference to the statement - to whit - high performance compared to what?

However, this article covers the entire range, and all performance brackets and versions - there is no point of reference to say "High performance against xxxxx". In fact, compared to the NIO EP9 the entire range is a slouch, therefore should not be classed as high performance.

Also, directly referring to Game for Game you're not only ignoring WP:OTHERSTUFF as I pointed out, but also implying stupidity on the part of the other editors is unlikely to sway them to your argument. Chaheel Riens (talk) 17:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

To take the example a little further down the Mazdaspeed path, the Skyline GT-R is a higher performance version of the Skyline. As you suggested, perhaps we should specify what we are comparing it to. It's obviously better than the normal Skyline range and a lot faster than an MX-5 but not quite as fast as a Bugatti Veyron and not quite as fast as the 14 year later EP9. Should also take into account the age of the vehicle - ie, comparing it to the much newer EP9. or the much older MG TD.  Stepho  talk  17:37, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Toasted Meter ignored the word "High performance" only to add it in the lead section, and mentioned it has to be somewhere in reception section. It means the same thing and doesn't mean anything else if we added it to somewhere like the reception section. I added it to the lead section because of it's easy to get known for a reader.

In case of MX-5 and MX-5 Mazdaspeed, it itsn't fast as a R34, 911 or Gallardo to say it's a high performance sports car. It's just another upgraded MX-5, which is still a low end sports car, just a high performance variant of itself.

Skyline GT-R is a whole different vehicle when comparing to the MX-5. Also at the time when the R34s, R33s, R32s and other were in production, they were compared to cars such as Porsche 911, Lamborghinis and Ferraris because they had a similar performance like them. If WP and editors allows them to bear the "High performance" word for the lead section, why we cannot let this page to bear it? Game for Game (talk) 19:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you miss "in the context of a reliable source describing it as such" in my edit summary? Arguments about cars being too slow to use some term or other is why subjective and ill defined terms are problematic. Toasted Meter (talk) 20:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)