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Moved from "Nipmuck" to "Nipmuc"

Note that although the Federal government used the spelling "Nipmuck" in the decision described herein, the "Nipmuc" spelling is more used by members of the group themselves (as evidenced by the flag illustrated in this article. Likewise, search engine hits for "Nipmuc" greatly outnumber those for "Nipmuck". - House of Scandal (talk) 16:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nipmuc vs. Massachusett

This article has a ton of information. (Parenthetically, I find Wikipedia's grading of articles clearly wrong. As of 3-19-2017, it's graded "C" in quality. It is anything but. Was the grade issued prior to subsequent edits?)

But one issue is garbled: Were the 17th century Natick Indians Massachusett or Nipmuc?

Since the figure caption says the Natick were the first Praying Indians, it is an all-important issue. Presently the article says, first, that today's Natick descendants are of both extractions. But that's not the issue under discussion. Of what extraction were the 17th-century Natick? Two, farther down it says, without a referent, that Natick was "Also [sic] settled by the Massachusett". What other tribe is implied by "also"? The Nipmuc? I can't seem to find it. For that matter, how is it possible that a single event, settlement of Natick, was done jointly by two different tribes? I can't think of any source saying Natick wasn't settled by a single group, the Nonantum Indians.

(Arguably you need to reverse order of discussion as well. Move all talk of today's descendants—"Divisions or bands"—to the bottom. As well, the article's otherwise excellent sectional breakdown into 18th/19th/20th centuries is missing section '21st century'. All talk about today's Indians might then be collected there.)

What were to become the Natick Indians lived originally in Nonantum, part of today's Newton—which by the map illustrated is solidly in the region of the Massachusett, the tribe surrounding Massachusetts Bay. Under Eliot's tutelage they were evicted from Nonantum and resettled in what is now South Natick. But what was their identity in Nonantum? Massachusett? Nipmuc? Explain. Note that the Wiki article on their representative, Waban (an incomplete stub), says he was of the Nipmuc "group" (BTW, is that a valid term?). That fact, if true, is germane.

Final clarification of the issue might also be iterated in the article on the Massachusett.

(BTW, judging by the map illustrated, the Nipmuc/Massachusett boundary seems approximately to slice though today's Framingham. Since that's the very town west of Natick, we get little resolution of the issue there.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimlue (talk • contribs) 22:19, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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