Talk:Ninth grade/Archive 1

Archive 1

Sources

I'm not entirely sure why the fact that Year 10 (English) and S3 (Scottish) refer to 14-15 year olds requires a source - surely anyone in the UK who has been through the education system in the past 15 or so years knows this to be a fact?

Also, how new is "a relatively new terminology"? Throughout my school years I never came across anything other than the "new" system, so surely it cannot be all that recent. --Cpl Syx (talk) 03:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You're right, it certainly isn't a new terminology, but it isn't ubiquitous. Whilst the system was introduced 20 years ago in 1989 (along with the national curriculum, IIRC), many LEAs and schools still use the old terminology (i.e. one studies for GCSEs in the 4th and 5th form) and all tertiary/further institutions are still "sixth form" colleges (although many people commonly abbreviate this to "college" now). I only heard mention of "year 12" and "year 13" to denote lower and upper sixth relatively recently, and am assured the terms are used interchangeably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 23:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Grrr...

I know that they're new, but the articles on school grades really need some work. Ninth Grade is not the first year in which students receive GPA's which go on their permanent record. Or, at least it isn't at my school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supernerd 10 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the US doesn't have a national curriculum, does it? I presume that in a federalised nation, education is also varied at a local level. In the UK we have an overriding national curriculum, culminating in a set of standard exams taken at a standard age (and hence school year). Along the way, there are other tests taken at specific "key stages". So, you can say with a great degree of certainty that GCSEs are taken in year 11, AS's are taken in lower sixth (year 12) and A-levels/S-levels are taken in upper sixth (year 13). But, you might find that in the States each area does things differently. They certainly do so far as biology is concerned (mostly revolving around whether creationism is science or religious education) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 00:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Notability

This article (along with other the articles in its series) does not strike me as being particularly noteworthy. I have already proposed Fifth grade for deletion, and will most likely propose this one for deletion as well should the deletion of fifth grade go through. In my opinion, these articles would be better dealt with in articles covering primary and secondary education throughout the world. Ekips (talk) 23:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't delete it. The article just needs a lot of expanding. You could then take some weight off the primary/secondary education pages. --87.194.250.89 (talk) 05:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ireland

The Ireland part is incorrect. It has equated the Ninth Grade to being first year in secondary school because it is the ninth year of school. But first year in secondary school is for twelve year-olds. I think it would be more accurate to equate ninth grade with third year ironcorona (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Canada

Canada's education system is provincially controlled, I believe it's inappropriate to have graduation requirements represented there as they do not necessarily reflect the grad requirements of all provinces. Kino 02:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolipopsandrainbows (talk • contribs)

Age

I'm 13 and I'm in 9th grade, so I changed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BriMaster2 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The English Bit

That's all completely wrong. 9th Grade in England is Yr 10, but we're 14-15, not 13-14, and we don't finish Yr 10 at 15-16, we're still 14-15. Comprehensive School is a term for a general school that isn't grammar (selective on an entrance exam but free) or private (fee-paying). The correct term is Secondary. The last sentence makes no sense. I think what they meant to say was that in England, we start Secondary school at age 11, and can leave school IF WE WANT at 15-16 (in Yr 11) or we can stay on another two years for 6th Form, and then leave at 17-18. Also, whether you finish at 15 or 16 doesn't depend on when you were born, that's what year you're in. If you were born on the 1st Sep, that makes you one of the oldest in the year below a person born on the 31st August (the day before), who would be very young for the year above you. Your birthday in general is what determines how old you are when you leave- if your birthday is in the Summer Holidays, after the school year ends, which is around 20th July, then you will leave at 15 or 17. If not, which is most people, you will be 16 or 18. Finally, why are the US and England sub-categories of Sweden? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.239.24 (talk) 14:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Durham.bug

Why has my edit been reverted? I was actually putting it back to it's original state, if you look back in the history. Durham.bug (talk) 01:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Beyond America-centric to the point of useless

I genuinely cannot believe that there is a page here that tries to compare across countries that DO NOT USE THE GRADE SYSTEM. It's absolutely wrong to say things like 'In England ninth grade is known as year ten'. Ninth grade does not exist in this country. There is no such thing. The vast majority of people here do not know what ninth grade is. It's not just that we have some charming quirky other name that we sometimes call it, ninth grade does not exist. No grades exist.

We, and many other countries mentioned here, use a completely different education system. What is taught and who is being taught it varies very widely. This page needs to be scrubbed back to remove basically everything other than the first three lines of the introduction paragraph. When someone looks for this page what they are looking for is almost certainly a quickly article that gives the typical ages that kids would be in ninth grade. That's certainly what I wanted to find out. Someone mentioned ninth grade to me in an off handed way and I went to look it up to see how old they would have actually been then.

Instead I ended up being genuinely offended by a lot of this page. The US is not the whole universe. Writing from that point of view ends up being massively unhelpful. This page, in the sections that are written well enough to be helpful at all, reads like an Americans guide to education systems of the world framed around the american system. The comparisons it makes are fine if that's the aim, but this an encyclopedia, written as declarations of fact. At least four countries mentioned as explicitly using the grade system, as in 'ninth grade in *wherever* is the fourth year' are absolutely wrong. France, Australia, Sweeden and Denmark do NOT have a grade system like that. They ALL use their language versions of 'Years', much more similar to the UK. And I found that out just by looking at the Wiki page for those education systems.

Please for the love of god someone get this changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.4.24 (talk) 15:16, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree entirely. The idea of "Ninth grade" is essentially purely American. It would make sense to re-write the article to be about the American system. Comparisons could still be made with other systems, if required.Royalcourtier (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Fouth year

"replacing the 20th century traditional term "Fourth" Year being the fouth year of secondary education", logical but wrong. In london and i assume the rest of England, everyone started at second year, the years spent in primary school counting as your first year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.26.167 (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Your London school seems to be out of step with the rest of England and Wales. Dbfirs 06:54, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Year Nine

Much of the content about the specific countries is already covered in the ninth grade article. There is no reason why they should be separate, even if they have a separate name. "Year 9" is mentioned in the ninth grade article and that is a more complete article. For not all the countries in the ninth grade article are called "ninth grade" either. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:17, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

The problem with this confusing merge is that the most common use of "Year nine" does not correspond with the most common use of "Ninth grade". It would be better to redirect each number to a general article where the system is explained. See the suggestion above, but I would prefer a general article about each system. Dbfirs 06:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Dbfirs has it exactly right IMO. As this proposal is now 3 months old without any further support I'm going to remove the tags. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

NO HELP

This article is completely wrong! It doesn't even say a thing about my country, and we DO NOT say 'grade' it's called YEAR 9 in my country. This didn't help what so ever. All I wanted to know was what year freshman year is, and THIS came up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.27.209.135 (talk) 00:25, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

The equivalent is actually Year 10 in your country (assuming you are in New Zealand). I've rephrased the section to make it less confusing, but you might like to check the article Education in New Zealand. The term Freshman is used in different ways in different countries, and is not used at all here in England. Dbfirs 05:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)