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Nintendo 3DS

Nintendo 3DS is not a seventh-generation handheld its a Eighth generation handheld becuse it's the true next gen DS not a remake. A Candela (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Re-read the article. That's what it says. Though, I suppose you're proof that it could stand to be re-worded. Sergecross73 (talk) 16:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

if i have it right,each ds is an sort of an upgrade:first DS,then DSI with two cameras,microfone etc. and now the 3DS,upgrade of the DSI with instead of 2 cameras 3 cameras and so forth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabboud (talk • contribs) 23:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

No, you don't have it right at all. DS to DS lite to DSi to DSi XL are all upgrades. 3DS is a brand new system. This was all somewhat debatable when the conversation started last March, but now it is pretty much set in stone...Sergecross73 msg me 14:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced Speculation

Wikipedia is not the place for your theories and speculation. If you want to do that, go use a video game forum. You'll need a information from a reputable source in order for your information to stay. Sergecross73 (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Was that aimmed at anything in particular, if not you could of just added the template to talk page that says that--sss333 (talk) 05:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes and no. It was sparked by a rather lengthy addition that started with "Internet forum poster believe" or something along those lines, but of course with this being a new article on a topic that relatively little is known on, speculation is being added and deleted constantly.Sergecross73 (talk) 12:15, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Some editors are just not good at adding source information. It might be a good idea to look something up that makes sense, or if you know who added it, ask the editor where they found it before automatically deleting info without a source. As an example, it can be speculated that the cameras will still be included if the 3DS is backwards compatible with DSi games. Source: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/032410-the-nintendo-3ds--facts-speculation-and.html?page=3 Quote: "Location awareness is the new hotness in mobile devices, and an increasing number of games and services make use of real-world geo-tagging and GPS-based "check-ins" to add a physical dynamic to gameplay. Paired with a camera (something we're assuming the 3DS will have, given that the DSi does) a built-in GPS solution will also facilitate augmented reality games too."Aether7 (talk) 18:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In general, you make a good point. However, this time I was just quick to delete because he literally spelled it out that he wasn't using a credible source. It said: "It's also been speculated by many internet forum users that..." Most of the other things I've been quick to delete are things that just haven't been confirmed yet, such as it using "3ds game cards" as a medium. Granted, that may be likely, it hasn't been announced. Sergecross73 (talk) 18:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

It also says in the chart that it uses dual ARM11 processors, which is also speculation. Somebody more in the know than me should take a look at that specs chart to make sure nothing else is wrong. Covarr (talk) 08:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

April Fool!

The 3DS was the subject of an April Fool's prank this morning. http://gbatemp.net reported that the 3DS was just an April Fool. In fact, the report was the April Fool, and the 3DS does exist. Should this be mentioned in the article - the prank confused a lot of people, judging by their forum. Digifiend (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

No. I'm sure people will figure out it wasn't an April Fool's trick once the day is over with. Sergecross73 (talk) 02:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Virtual Boy

I accidentally rolled back instead of undid, so my explanationless edit was reverted. Basically, the VB's failure certainly is absolutely unrelated to if it should be under the 'see also'. I don't see how anyone could say "Nintendo's first attempt at portable 3d gaming" is unrelated to "Nintendo's new attempt at portable 3d gaming". ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 18:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I just don't see it needing it's own little section. Why not a mention somewhere in the article? Like the various mentionings of the DS/DSi, other handhelds like Psp, etc. Sergecross73 (talk) 18:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Trying to cover it in the article would likely require dedicating more space, which would be undue weight, in my opinion. It doesn't have it's own section. It's one item in a "See also" section. If you wish to strip the description from the listing, that's fine. The "See also" section is about navigation, not content. To say that Virtual Boy does not warrant a "See also" link doesn't make sense to me, though. It's one of the few other portable 3D video game systems. The "See also" section is well-suited for linking select related topics that are not worth mentioning in the article text. Dancter (talk) 21:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Especially since it's also a Nintendo item. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I apologize. I thought it had more "weight" with it being only one of two things mentioned in the "See Also" section. Perhaps that's not how it's supposed to be interpreted. I won't change it then. Sergecross73 (talk) 12:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Pictures

I found some pictures of the 3DS here [1] wolfblake 20:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

No, you didn't. That's just a unofficial mock-up from a random 3d artist...Sergecross73 (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

All it is is concept art made by a userIamcool234 22:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Everyone can expect to see the real Nintendo 3DS at E3 2010. Click on the link http://e3.nintendo.com/ to see a live video coverage. Amario19 (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

So...

So...... when do the pictures of the 3DS come out? ANSWER PLEASE--213.83.125.225 (talk) 14:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a messageboard; this isn't the place to ask this. Also, did you even read the article? It pretty much says right in it... Sergecross73 msg me 14:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

"Did you even read the article? Yeah, I expect he did. But did you read what he said? I'm pretty sure you couldn't have missed "the pictures".--86.4.27.68 (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you're refering to, but I was talking about the fact that very early on in the article it says that it's going to be revealed on a certain date (June 15) at E3, and one would think that there'd be pictures from an unveiling, no? So I'm guessing he didn't read much at all... Sergecross73 msg me 17:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

E3 2010

3DS was Nintendo's main talking point at E3 this year. Someone should edit in the line-up and features, as they were covered pretty in-depth. Source: http://e3.g4tv.com/e32010/pressconference/nintendo/60/ GAMEchief (talk) 17:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Level of detail

Is anyone able to add more detail to the article right now, because I do think it is a bit of a stub, not a full stub but it could do with more detail that I am unable to provide... Usual people in life (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Current Picture as of Writing

Someone just shat all over this page with a picture of a car. o_o Anyone care to fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.25.167 (talk) 18:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Someone took care of it. P. D. Cook ^{Talk to me!} 18:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Can we get a picture from here please? Origamitech (talk) 19:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

This picture is WAY too dark. Here is a picture...

http://techtickerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/nintendo-3ds-4.jpg

Hope this helps. DiscoLava! 16:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I know. That picture SUCKS, and I can't believe someone changed it to that. I've tried to change it back twice, but someone keeps putting it back on the dark picture. I'll just keep trying.

Autobotprowl 11:17, 2 July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Autobotprowl (talk • contribs)

The picture you use is not free, as you claim. None of the pictures mentioned in this thread are. Dancter (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

If it's not free, why would someone post it online, where copying and saving an image is SO easy?

AutobotProwl 1:30, 3 July 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Autobotprowl (talk • contribs)

Just because it is "SO easy" to do something does not automatically mean people have the right to do it. Even stuff published on the Internet is subject to copyright law. Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content for more information on Wikipedia's policies on copyrighted content. Dancter (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The picture really should be replaced with a brighter one, the top screen is not visible on the current image. I think, since the 3DS has a wider screen, compared with the DS/DSl/DSi/DSiXL 4:3 screen, this should be visible on the image. The official image is best of course. The target shooting image shows the top screen, but the unit is blurry on that image. The official image is best. [2] NeoDoubleGames 18:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I originally used this picture for the "Target Shooting" demo, but swapped it for the current one. Although the 3DS is in better focus in the first picture, with the second picture the augmented reality effect is more noticeable in a thumbnail image. While your case for using the official press image is a reasonable one, it can also be argued that the same information could be conveyed through a combination of free images. I'm willing to be convinced. For a non-free image to be used, it needs to illustrate something that is not possible through free images and/or text, and the article needs to directly address why that something is important. Dancter (talk) 16:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I think I have just about had it with you Wikipedia users who think they can do whatever they want and hate all new ideas. Besides, THERE ARE A HUNDRED MORE OF THESE THINGS ON WIKIPEDIA. Why do you kind of users have to make everything so complicated? IT'S A PICTURE. GET OVER IT. Autobotprowl (talk)AutobotprowlAutobotprowl (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC).

Autobotprowl, please understand that we cannot simply go around and use any images to our delight. The image is copyrighted and owned by Nintendo, so we cannot use it, as it is a non-free image in which a free version (aka an image that has been released under a license that allows the unlimited use of the image, with the only requirement being attribution) is, or could possibly be, available. It is true that we still use non-free images such as logos or screenshots of video games, but that is because there is simply no way that we can convey the same meaning through free images. For example, we could not depict what Mario looks like without using images that are both created and copyrighted by Nintendo. Thus, we use non-free images. Someone can, however, always take a picture of a DS and freely release it, which is why a non-free image of a DS being used is simply unacceptable. Wikipedia's goal is to provide free content (and when I say free, I mean content that can be used for any purpose as long as it's attributed), and as a result, everything should be free whenever possible. Even if the current image stinks, we'll have to wait until someone takes a better one. Until then, tough luck. It is not Wikipedia users "doing whatever they want". It's Wikipedia users following the rules of Wikipedia. Thank you. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Size of photo

The photo is HUGE. Can someone please reduce the resolution? Netbooks and other such can barely read the lead of the article. 190.141.197.220 (talk) 19:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Added product picture

I added a picture of the 3DS to the info box, but just noticed that there is another picture already in the article. Which one should we use, and should we delete the in-article photo? Ianprime0509 ^Talk 20:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

They should both stay, but we should use the Black one as the main one it was the one used for the demos, and will undoubtedly be the most commonly advertised colour. Plus, the blue one should be added. 82.153.197.218 (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

How is the 3D accomplished?

I've heard early reports of the 3DS using a simple method of having rows of pixels, so each eye sees a different row. Akin to double grooving on a record. This seems to be rather.. specific, in that you would have to hold the DS at the right angle and the right distance to get the 3D effect. But the hands-on reports I've read don't mention anything like this. They also mention a slider for adjusting the level of 3D displayed. So how is the 3D accomplished? 203.206.183.48 (talk) 01:26, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Nothing clever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_barrier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.75.83.25 (talk) 12:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Everything I've read (from hands on reviewers) indicates an extremely narrow viewing angle (both up+down and left+right) and you have to be at the perfect distance, as well; the viewing distance varies depending on the selection of depth, as well (here's a review that mentions this: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/15/nintendo-3ds-in-depth-preview-it-works/). In any event the only thing I'm curious about is how the depth is adjusted with the slider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.68.197 (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The way I would do it, is just move the two cameras (one for each eye) in the 3D-world closer or further away from each other when you adjust the slider. Then you have camera 1 send its picture to every other pixel on the screen, and camera 2 send to the others.91.149.47.73 (talk) 10:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)Faithtoken

System Comparison: Why DS Lite?

Just wanted to know the rationale for this, considering that there's DSi and DSi XL in-between, that's already out in market, and has closer specs to match the 3DS. 203.116.243.1 (talk) 03:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's because the DS Lite is the most common/best selling version. I wouldn't worry about it too much, that chart is a mess, and I doubt it'll stick around too long... Sergecross73 msg me 12:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

List of 3DS games

Is that really needed? I know there probably isn't enough for a whole page, but there might be too much for here. But anyways, it needs to be converted to a table. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 03:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It needs it's own page. Here (name: guest, password: nintendo) is a list of upcoming 3DS games, straight from Nintendo. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 13:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I declined protection on this article yesterday, so I feel kind of responsible. My view is that the list needs to die a horrible, horrible death be removed. It's a magnet for uncited cruft and adds little if anything to the article. If it must be kept, at least restrict it to the games Nintendo announced at launch - everything else is just speculation (or free advertising for the game devs). TFOWR 13:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

There are plenty of titles so that it can have it's own page.Rhonin the wizard (talk) 13:57, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

If it's a list of games straight from Nintendo, I don't see any speculation/crystal ball problems, launch title or not. I mean, we're talking about listing the games, not giving each and every one of them their own page. Sergecross73 msg me 15:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

My problem wasn't with the official list (the one from Nintendo's website); it was with the additional (uncited) games being added (and reverted). Anyway, good to see the list is now a separate article! TFOWR 17:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, got ya. I know what you mean, they've already added a title or two that I wonder should really be on there. Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Resolution

It's a bit unclear what the exact resolution of this system is, particularly when the 3D is turned off; it's stated to be 400x240 per eye, which, naturally means(and is directly stated) that the total is 800x240. The question is, if 3D mode is turned off, does this give games the chance to offer a widescreen mode whereby the game itself would be displayed in 800x240? This is unclear, and speculation at this point, but I suspect that when 3D mode is turned off, it merely turns off 400 of the vertical pixels. Either way, just wanting to know the true resolution games will be and if game developers could take advantage of the extra 400 pixels with 3D turned off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.68.197 (talk) 21:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

upon doing some more research, I'm going to guess the resolution of games will be 400x240, as that's a 1.66 ratio--considering that that's a common ratio for wide screens for phones, this make sense. Even assuming they could display it as 800x240, this is a 3.33 ratio, which wouldn't be that enjoyable for most games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.68.197 (talk) 23:51, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Resolution and aspect ratio are not directly related. If a game ran in 2D at 800x240, then it would still have the same aspect ratio; the pixels aren't square. 75.142.125.35 (talk) 02:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As far as I understand, each eye gets shown a separate 400x240 pixel array, each presumably projected by a separate camera in the in-game world. If that is the case, the "3D slider" would simply be a matter of changing the distance between the cameras (and rotating them so that they point at the same target), and the "no 3D" mode would simply be using the same camera. ~FireyFly ^t_c 06:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be the same pixel's but projected in a different way? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 03:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

To revisit this old topic, I'd like to inject logic. The technology used here is almost definitely a parallax barrier, or at the very least, the same concept. In this case, there's only one screen, but two layers of LCD, more or less -- one for each eye. Suppose the slider is moved downward. It would make sense to me that the parallax barrier itself would start to collapse, turning to be at a 90-degree angle from the pixels beneath it, and thus not reflecting any of the images to either eye. In this case, the true answer is that the screen is actually only 400x240 to begin with, just dual-layered, and that it remains at the same resolution when one layer blocks out the other. Naturally, the software will probably correct the camera angle to be 'centered' as this happens, not at either eye. Food for thought, conjecture of a bored nerd. 71.60.154.23 (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

People, the 800x240 might sound fishy, as the resolution has an aspect ratio of 3.33, but the 3DS uses RECTANGULAR pixels, since it uses parallax barrier. Do some trig., you'll get it. When in 2d, two pixels show the same color, therefore showing 400x240. Seriously, STOP changing the PPI value. Rectangular pixels do not have appropriate ppi values. The 3DS ACTUALLY has a PPI (top screen) of 201.7, diagonally. abckookooman 22:02, 16 January 2011

I'm not going to lie, I don't really know what you're talking about, but regardless, "doing some trig" should not be necessary. We need to add exactly what reliable sources are saying, not anything people are calculating... Sergecross73 msg me 03:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Because we would all know this stuff. We have no idea what you're talking about. And please, put new comments at the bottom of whatever talk page conversation you want to get involved in, or make a new section. A reliable source saying, "Yeah, the 3DS uses rectangular pixels" would help us a lot. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 15:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: PPI is not something you can find on a website, you can calculate it on a calculator or website. Parallax barrier technology does use square pixels, only they are at an angle and seperated by a slit; hence they look rectangular. The parallax barriers on the screen are arranged in rows, not columns, so it would have a different ppi value for length and width. That is why 800x240 is still in a 5:3 aspect ratio, instead of 10:3. abckookooman 11:02, 17 January 2011

Well, if you can't find PPI in a source, then it shouldn't be mentioned in an article. Furthermore, any of the rest of of what you mentioned is far too technical to be put in the article as well. Wikipedia is supposed to be written in a general-audience type way, where anyone literate can understand it. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case, find a source that says that the 3DS uses rectangular pixels. And why can you only measure pixel density when "square" pixels are used? I have seen the terms "square" and "rectangular" used loosely. (Please, don't tell us to calculate it or instruct us on how to calculate it.) TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You cannot calculate PPI of a device that uses non-square pixels, so I am saying that the value should not be on the article, yet someone keeps adding it back on. This may be getting confusing, so let me wrap this up: There are no sources saying that it uses rectangle pixels. There are sources that say the 3DS uses parallax barrier technology for its 3D, and there are more sources that show how this technology works (rectangular pixels). PPI is something you CALCULATE. it's a math problem, not a specification, and there is an article on wikipedia and calculators for it. Whoever put PPI on the page was thinking "how sharp is the screen?" and they put the values in, so it cannot and does not need to be referenced. I am not putting any of this information in the article, but thank you for pointing that out though. abckookooman 13:59, 17 January 2011

Until a reliable source does this "calcuation" by themselves, the PPI needs to be removed. It's due to WP:VERIFY and WP:OR. Information needs to be verified by reliable sources, not random users. Otherwise, we have no idea who did these "calculations" and whether or not they did them right. If it's that important, a reliable source will do whatever calculations too, and it can be re-added to the article. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for stating that, PPI will not be on the article. abckookooman 19:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I hope it didn't sound like I was blaming you. Just stating it for the record, for any other people who came around... Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It is OK, but I did not know about these wikipedia policies myself, thank you for clarifying that. abckookooman 19:21, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

PSP comparison

Someone seems to have gone through a lot of trouble to gather the data comparing the new 3DS to the old DS Lite, but I was wondering how it compares to the PSP, which will likely be its biggest competitor until Sony responds with a copycat product. Is there room for another table or another column in the 3DS/DSL table? --CBecker (talk) 17:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the one we have right now is too much. Considering how the PSP struggles to compete against the regular DS, I don't think it really makes sense. It'd be like doing a chart of GBA vs. PSP because there was some overlap in the PSP's earlier years. Sergecross73 msg me 19:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

We could just add a see also to Comparison of handheld game consoles if someone adds 3DS to it --sss333 (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

War Driving?

Is it just me or does it sound like Nintendo is promoting war driving with their new handheld system the 3DS.

"The other thing that we're trying to do with the Nintendo 3DS is that even for people who don't have wireless access in their home, our goal is that by carrying the device around with them they'll be able to connect to wireless networks elsewhere. And without even realizing it, they'll notice some kind of change in their game data, or a download containing new information. I think that that kind of surprise element is something that will have a very Nintendo feel to it." - Miyamoto

The reference is http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1100039p1.html

Rob mc 1 (talk) 05:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

These days, I should hope most unsecured wireless access points you come across are like that intentionally (McDonalds, Starbucks, small businesses, etc).

It'd be really sad to think that most people not using encryption do so through ignorance. 209.90.133.135 (talk) 18:03, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Here in Winnipeg most places I've seen use password protected hotspots. A common one is an MTS hotspot that uses your home DSL account to sign in. Most of the open wireless networks I've seen around here are from people who have left it open.

205.200.214.40 (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

"control nub similar to those used in Sony PSP systems"?

I'm not sure it's still appropriate to make this comparison.
The only reference given comparing the 'slide pad' to the PSP is an old article that predated the official unveiling. It was looking at a development board; not the actual device. (In other words, no references suggest that the actual analog control is like the PSP's)
This is particularly significant since the 'slide pad' is very obviously an analog version of the NES Max's slide pad.
As is, the current reference isn't really valid, since it doesn't relate to the product actually being compared (that is, the current reference doesn't say the slide pad is similar to a PSP analog stick). So, still comparing it against a PSP is somewhat arbitrary (why not compare it to an N64 analog control? Or the 'eraser' style nub on an old thinkpad?).
My suggestion would be to either stick with what only reliable sources say: That it has an analog control, nothing more. Failing that, if any comparisons are to be made, they should probably include the NES Max, since it's the most similar design (and the oldest similar design. and the similar design that's by the same company). 209.90.133.135 (talk) 18:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The PSP reference is probably just because it is the most current and relevant handheld to have a joystick. The "NES Max" probably doesn't mean much to a lot of people so I think it'd a bad example, but ultimately I don't think it really matters. Sergecross73 msg me 18:16, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Purple and gold 3DSs

I'm pretty sure that the source doesn't show any purple or gold 3DSs but rather black 3DSs with yellow lights near them and where are the purple ones? 69.159.180.248 (talk) 00:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The colors have been released as black and teal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.33.27 (talk) 14:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Notes column in comparison table

Hello.
I actually like the comparison table, and I think the DS Lite was a good choice of device for comparison.
However, I think the Notes column doesn't really accomplish much, and just makes it look cluttered.
The Notes only contain the following points:

1. Battery life drops 25% after 500 charges on DSLite. - Pretty much all modern rechargeable batteries are like this to some degree or another. It isn't really helpful (at least, in terms of providing a summary for comparison).
2. The stylus is side-loaded/The 3DS stylus is telescoping and located on top - The precise location, though interesting and good to include in the body of the article, isn't really necessary for comparison. For the table, the dimensions are easily enough.
3. Slide Pad functions like an analog stick - 'Slide Pad' already links to Analog stick, so that certainly isn't necessary.
4. On DS Lite, GBA cartridges protrude from handheld... - This obviously doesn't matter for the 3DS article.
5. The ...DSI...two cameras... - This is the closest to being helpful. However, since this particular table is for comparing the 3DS against the DS Lite, it's out of place. (In other words, it's interesting information, but not directly related to the topic)

So... since there's no real need for any of the notes in that table, is there any objection to cutting out that column? (and, if there are, could you please explain why?) 72.88.64.180 (talk) 16:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Not only that, but it almost seems like we could get rid of the "percent change" column as well, considering 1)It isn't relevant to a number of the comparison points and 2)The dimensions are already there for comparison, and probably mean more than percentage, which are also being altered a lot, so they've probably been wrong a number of times as well...Sergecross73 msg me 17:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

PICA 200

Seeing that there is probably enough information on both PICA 200 and Digital Media Professionals Inc., should we create a new page for them? Ref link for PICA 200 specs: http://www.dmprof.com/release/leaflet_PICA200_en.pdf 203.116.243.1 (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DS Lite Comparison

Can anyone explain the point of this section? They're two generations apart, or 5 years. 94.195.129.111 (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

They're only one "generation" apart, the DSi is an upgrade, not a new system. I imagine someone made it that instead of the DSi merely because the DS Lite is the most common of all the iterations, selling the most and all. If you, or someone else, wants to replace it with a DSi comparison, that's fine, but I don't think it's necessary to just delete altogether. Unless majority says otherwise. Sergecross73 msg me 17:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

It's simple, someone copied & pasted the table from the Nintendo DS Lite article into here [3] then modified it from there. SNS (talk) 02:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

ONce everything about the 3ds is known we won't need to have a comparison table.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

What's with the Battery Life?

This doesn't make sense! I read the page where the citation comes from which supposedly states that the battery life of the 3DS is targeted to match that of the DSi, and I didn't see ANYTHING that had to do with that. Also, Nintendo said the 3DS's battery is supposed to last longer than the DS's battery, so why would this even be true? We should make it say "TBA." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Autobotprowl (talk • contribs) 16:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there's no definite information yet, but the citation does mention battery life

"7:10: What's the battery life like with the 3D use on 3DS? Battery life is important to us and we want to match the DSi. Please, I want to focus on software, so let's talk about that."

Just thought I'd let you know. Mario777Zelda (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, So I believe that it is the 6th generation

If you think about it theres only been 5 generations of handhelds so far.

1.Game and watch 2.Virtual Boy 3.Game boy and GBC alongside Game gear And atari Jaguar, 4.Game boy advanced weakly followed by the N-Gage 5.Nintendo DS in competition with the PSP 6.Nintendo 3DS

Hope that helps for the article. Also it should be noted that console generations and handheld generations can NOT be listed as the same. There are more consoles than handhelds dating back to the first atari, however this is not the place to discuss consoles. If a generation is added to the article, which by all reason it should be considering that it is a very broadly used term among fans and anywhere that "isn't" official, it should be noted that it is only the 6th generation. 24.4.222.40 (talk) 22:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer if we didn't use this term, it's very confusing and ambiguous. I even saw in this very article someone write "the first generation DS" to talk about the original Nintendo DS as opposed to the Lite or DSi. It may have a well defined meaning in the gaming community, but it isn't really suitable for an encyclopedia, especially since there is no real definition for that actual meaning anywhere. --142.213.254.2 (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you belive. Unless a reliable source says it is a new generation, we can't do anything. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 15:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I saw it claimed that 'generation' was a term invented by Wikipedia itself (back in the days when people were more concerned with making articles and writing "brilliant prose" than keeping them up to reliable standards). I dunno if it's true, but it'd explain a few things... ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I've heard that as well. I also agree that we should try to stay away from the term, and that even if we did decide to use it, it'd have to be a source, not someone's original research. Sergecross73 msg me 13:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Either way, until it's actually released it isn't really part of any generation. I'd actually suggest not even considering including a generation until it at least has a finalized release date. 209.90.134.37 (talk) 20:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

By the way, the generations refer to the generations of the entire History of Video Games, which normally lasts between 5 to 10 years. We are currently on the seventh generation, so the 3ds is likely to be in the eighth generation, but it isn't official when the next generation will start. --Mr Alex (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Have they said if the Nintendo 3DS would be compatible with regular DS multiplayer functions?

For example, if you had a DS and a 3DS (or two 3DSs) and two regular DS games that are normally able to communicate with each other with the help of DS wireless mutiplayer capability, could you utilize the games' wireless multiplayer functions with the hardware available? The article doesn't mention or imply anything that might clarify. Henjeng55155 (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I've recently wondered that as well. I've been following the 3ds pretty closely, so I don't believe it's been announced one way or another, but I could be mistaken...Sergecross73 msg me 12:20, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Nintendo said anything about that, but you might want to ask them by e-mail. -- Lemon's Pride (talk) 22:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

They're probably not going to announce something new in an email to a random person. The best bet would be to wait and see when they reveal more details about it towards the end of September. Sergecross73 msg me 14:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Slight Flaw I Noticed

If you look at the headphone jack,you'll see there is no place for the mic to go,you know, for headsets for all DS models.You think Nintendo will notice that?,or will they make a new headset for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.92.178 (talk) 01:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

It might be added. There's still at least a half a year til it's released. If any notable source mentions this, it'll be added to the article. 192.197.71.189 (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Its A dual jack a standered size jack that functions for both output and input in fact the headphones im using now are this type. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfmanz51 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum

also someone is vandilizeing the page, it should be protected until the realease

DS Piracy depressed the DS Market?

"According to game developer THQ, the Nintendo 3DS features sophisticated anti-piracy technology which Nintendo believes is able to significantly curb video game piracy, which had increasingly depressed the handheld market with the proliferation of cheap flash memory and the rise in illegal file sharing."

This is in the article. But with DS sales continually strong and higher than ever, it is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.67.27 (talk) 05:38, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Going strong? Yes. Higher than ever? No. It's pretty generally believed that piracy is indeed an issue, even if the system is still doing well. If you've got reliable sources that say otherwise, then fine, but I'm not sure you'll find them... Sergecross73 msg me 12:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

But it hasn't depressed the market. A depressed market would be down, and not making a profit, and not being the best selling system of all time. The market for handhelds can not be classified as "depressed". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.67.27 (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

In this instance, I'm sure they meant "less profitable than before" rather than "not profitable" because, well, statistically, that's that only conclusion they could have possibly come to. Either way, what do you suggest be done? I think the real point of the quote was that Nintendo was working on anti-piracy for the 3DS due to piracy's negative effect on the profitability of the original DS, and it does seem to illustrate that point pretty well. Sergecross73 msg me 03:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

New Specs from IGN

http://gear.ign.com/articles/112/1122613p1.html

Yesterday IGN released some details about the 3DS that learned "from an anonymous source" and that they are still working on "contacting nintendo" about. Since it's not directly from Nintendo, it shouldn't be treated as fact yet. If someone wants to add it to article along the lines of "IGN wrote an article saying it thinks the 3DS will have..." then that's fine, but it shouldn't just be added straight to the chart as final information yet. (Unless/until it's straight from Nintendo) Sergecross73 msg me 12:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Wi-Fi compatibility

Any information on the compatible home Wi-Fi encryptions the 3DS will have? I couldn't see anything on the article. The DSi connects to WPA but the actual games only connect to WEP like the DS and DS Lite. Just wondering if they're actually going to modernise the 3DS games to be compatible with WPA encryption.--Baker1000 (talk) 10:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

It can use WPA and WPA2.----occono (talk) 16:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Page lock?

I think the page should be semi protected so experienced editors may edit the page. There is a lot of hearsay editing from non-users without references. Opinions? Stevo1000 (talk) 18:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, last time there was big news about the system (I believe its initial announcement) it was pretty hectic, but then after a few days the chaos died down some. So things might be fine in a couple of days. On the other hand, there's always all sorts of rumors being written and then deleted, so it'd be nice to cut down on some of that. I'm not really that familiar with page locks, so I don't exactly know when/what warrants one I guess...Sergecross73 msg me 19:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

3DS Colors

At the September 29th Nintendo 3DS Press Conference, the colors teal and black were announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.33.27 (talk) 14:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)