Talk:Nine familial exterminations/Archive 1

Archive 1

Translation

Oh, I'm not entirely sure how to accurately translate "株连九族". If anyone has a better idea, please feel free to change the article title. Thanks. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 14:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge?

If a merge is necessary, merge Mie Zu to Nine exterminations (the longer article), with any missing details from the smaller article incorporated into the larger one, and then rename it to something else. The actual full name is not "mie zu". The correct name is "株连九族", in which I am not entirely sure of the translation. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 00:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Question

Is 誅夷三族 (Three exterminations) a type of Nine exterminations? --Amore Mio (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

That is when three social relations are sentenced to death, which is a less-harsh type, so to speak. This was present during the Spring and Autumn period, until it was replaced by the Nine exterminations. For three, only your 1. parents 2. children and 3. yourself are killed, instead of the nine later used by subsequent dynasties, which included things such as grandparents/children, uncles, etc. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 11:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

"Three exterminations" is quite hard to understand. In History of Vietnam, there are a mandarin named Nguyen Trai whose family got 誅夷三族 but even his grandchildren and first cousins once removed got punished regardless of age (men/boys were beheaded, women/girls were enslaved). By the way, thank you for this interesting article.--Amore Mio (talk) 12:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to ask you.  李博杰 , would you mind starting Three exterminations please?.--Amore Mio (talk) 15:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I could easily just start another new section; that way everything can all be in order. I might sort it like the Chinese Wiki article on Nine exterminations, which has its own section for the "three-version". -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 15:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

that will be GREAT...please do so :). Thank you in advance.--Amore Mio (talk) 16:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

In Korean examples

I think the historical context can be divided into Chinese and non-Chinese section because when the west Catholicism fist was introduced in Korea, many Christians were perished, and three sets of relatives died for believing the Western religion. There were also other cases found too.--Caspian blue 16:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

English sources

• A cultural history of civil examinations in late imperial China
• A Ming Society[1]
• Muscovy and the Mongols

--Caspian blue 03:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Possibly spouse missing?

The article says:

"The punishment involved the execution of close and extended family members. These included:

- The criminal's living parents
- The criminal's living grandparents
- Any children the criminal may have, over a certain age (which is usually variable depending on the time period)
- Any grandchildren the criminal may have, over a certain age (which is usually variable depending on the time period)
- Siblings and sibling-in-laws (the siblings of the criminal and that of his or her spouse, in the case where he or she is married)
- Uncles of the criminal, as well as their spouses
- The criminal himself"

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but isn't the criminal's spouse accidentally missing from this list? --94.21.40.159 (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Even if we count the spouse, that's only 8. What else is missing? Do siblings-in-law and/or uncles' wives count as one group? Boneyard90 (talk) 12:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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The thing is, if you wish to include information, you need to reference them with reliable sources. Without proper citations, we cannot verify the validity of the information added. You are more than welcome to contribute and add information, provided that you cite your additions properly. Internet forums and other Wikipedia pages cannot be used as references, as they do not meet the criteria for reliable sources. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 18:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Uncles

The English term "uncle" covers quite a few different kinds of male relatives one generation up. These are distinguished in the Chinese language - for example, father's elder brother, mother's brother, father's sister's husband ... Were all of these "uncles" equally liable to punishment under this scheme? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.142.162 (talk) 05:54, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

China dispute

I dispute the quotation under source No. 8 in this article. I don't read it as a regular "punishment" or even a regular practise at all, only an extraordinary threat from the king P'an-keng. 184.149.38.117 (talk) 02:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Alternate Punishment for underage children?

What were the procedures for underage children not subject to death? Were they adopted out or enslaved (like women sometimes were)? Anymouse (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)