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I believe that his Ukrainian name should be included because the city is in current Ukraine and because. Whether he was part of a "Ukrainian nation", Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I don't see the harm in it anyway; it is not a nationalistic statement from my side. For me mentioning his Ukrainian name is as logic as the mentioning of the Latin name of the Red Fox in there article. Ukrainian was spoken in Nikolayev during his childhood at the time (as in Odessa (5.6%)). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course ukrainian was spoken in Nikolayev. And jewish was spoken. So what ? Have you any source, that Sablin was "Mykola" ? If you have - please add to article. Animals haven't nationality, so this is too bad example. --Movses (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It all depend on what the man called himself - when I originally wrote the article for Nikolai I only used the Russian name as he had no visible loyalty to Ukraine - when I wrote the original article on his brover Mikhail, I included the Ukrainian name as he was an admiral in the first Ukrainian navy and therefore had loyalty to that countryAla.foum (talk) 09:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People in current Ukraine call him with his Ukrainian name (see Ukrainian wikipedia), so that is (in my opinion) why his Ukrainian name should be included (also because Ukrainian is the only state language (Yiddish is also not that) officially he, sort of ;), can not have a Russian name in Ukrainian official (state) documents). This has nothing to do with the man did and what he believed or called himself for me. I suggest we ask Wikipedia:Requests for comment for woth the guidelines are. For instance at Sergei Prokofiev I also included his Ukrainian name and nobody (seems) to mind.... and he was also not born in an Ukrainian state nor does he seem to be (vague) Ukrainian nationalistic. I do believe this should not be approached from a political point of view (guess I could find a book calling him a Ukrainian, but I do not believe so and I think it does not mather; it mathers he was born (and lived) in what is now Ukraine) but from an encyclopical point of view. This is purely an administrational thing for me; I do not try to Ukranisate the man; I do mind when people try not to inform the readers that names are different in the only official state language of Ukraine, Ukrainian, then in Russian (I do not mind there are Ukrainians who only speak Russian though). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 10:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People want to know how his name writes in ukrainian ? Go to the ukrainian section of wikipedia ! People want to know how writes in ukrainian name "Ban Ki-moon" ? Go to the ukrainian section of wikipedia ! Interwiki good idea for this things. --Movses (talk) 12:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strange argument in my view; the same could be said about his Russian name... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not mind including his Ukrainian name in the article although he was not an ethnic Ukrainian and his connections with Ukraine were not that great. heck my dedushka's babushka was Ukrainian so do I get a Ukrainian name too?Ala.foum (talk) 14:57, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and congratulation to that ;) Do you want me to add {{Template:User Ukrainian}} to your profile-page or do you want to do it yourself :) P.S. I like Ukraine a lot more then Russia ;) — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 15:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am proud to be an ethnic anglo-afro Russian and do not wish to be identified as Ukrainian - I feel that it is rather sad that Ukrainian nationalists wish to appropriate anybody and anything in order to boost their sense of self esteem. It think that it is really bad that people in Ukraine cannot in cannot choose what to call themaselves - that behaviour is not compatible with democratic European ideals Ala.foum (talk) 08:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]