Talk:Niger Innis/Archive 1

Archive 1

It's inappropriate for Wikipedia to illustrate an article on Niger Innis with a photograph that labels him "Nigger Innis". While the uploader of the screenshot is apparently quite amused by the concept, it's only tangentially related to Niger Innis, and is schoolboy stuff of the caca-doo-doo variety. - Nunh-huh 07:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The incident should be mentioned, of course. The photo might be appropriate if the picture illustrated merely one section of a long article, but not if it's the only illustration in the article. Gamaliel 07:22, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree here. This should not be the only photo in the article. I don't know if it should be here at all. Rhobite 07:23, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Frankly, I doubt he's even noteworthy of an article. He seems to be solely listed so that people can laugh at the mistake. Saying that the photo is only appropriate as part of other photos implies to me that the incident is only worth noting as part of a longer article, which I -- correct me if I'm wrong here -- don't think anything would really exist. DreamGuy 07:33, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

I think a serious article could be written (he's son of Roy Innes, he's the spokesman of CORE, he's a Democratic Party fundraiser) but this certainly isn't that article. I find it somewhat remarkable that within moments ot the initiation of the article it was thought appropriate to create a redirect Nigger Innis pointing here, which rather suggests the intent of the creator.... - Nunh-huh 07:37, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How can he be a Democratic Party fundraiser and a conservative Republican? RickK 07:47, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

He raised funds for David Dinkins in his race for Mayorality of New York. New York city is a funny political place<g>. - Nunh-huh 07:50, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If you had checked the history of Nigger Innis, you'd have seen that I created it. Not Alkivar. --SPUI (talk) 07:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I did. I saw who created it. What makes you think I didn't know it was you? - Nunh-huh 07:46, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"which rather suggests the intent of the creator" --SPUI (talk) 07:49, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes. Your intent. You created the redirect. - Nunh-huh 07:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The whole MSNBC section is a copy-and-paste of the Snopes article, BTW. KingTT 07:38, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The only text copied from snopes is their text copy of the AP article. Everything else was written by me.  ALKIVAR™ 08:13, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Whether we keep the image or not, it reflects poorly on Wikipedia to have a single sentence as the intro and two paragraphs about the MSNBC incident. The incident is worth a brief mention, but it is disappointing that it makes up the bulk of this article. Rhobite 07:42, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Ideally the rest of the article should be expanded such that the current "MSNBC incident" content is "brief' by comparison. Easier said than done though. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:46, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've listed the image for ifd. I've also put the expand header on this article. Making the typo the major part of this man's life is insensitive at best. An "anon" reverted my removal of the image from the article. It's probably a good idea to discuss this before an edit war breaks out. RickK 07:46, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

"Making the typo the major part of this man's life is insensitive at best."

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I've sofixedit a bit. --SPUI (talk) 08:02, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree. The article is poor, and would be vastly improved by more biographical information and better pictures of Mr Innis. However, that doens't mean the content that's there now doesn't belong, or the picture, which is a document of a fact. I object to the deletion of the image, especially since you didn't change the thrust of the article, you just got rid of the image. Demi ^T/_C 07:52, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)

Until there are one or two other pictures in this article, the "Nigger Innis" picture should be removed. BlankVerse ∅ 08:14, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Did you bother to look? There already is another picture.  ALKIVAR™ 08:22, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and it pretty much obviates the need for the "Nigger" picture. All the "Nigger" picture tells us is that it's possible to mispell his name and produce a racial epithet. That has nothing to do with Niger Innis, and precious little to do with MSNBC. It's unimportant, it's trivia, and giving it so prominent a place is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, which should tell us what's important to know, not include things because they satisfy puerile interests. - Nunh-huh 09:30, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Add more details on his activism or kill the picture. I agree with Rick, and I'll be supporting IFD for the image unless someone else besides the original creator can justify the image with a re-organization and an edit to place it appropriately in context. - Jeremiah Cook 23:40, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Niger Innis should be exploited for his comic value in this encyclopedia since, after all, there really aren't many "important" things to say about Niger. We should emphasize:

• The similarity between his name "Niger" and the racial term "Nigger"
• How funny it was when they used Nigger instead of Niger on MSNBC (I'm sure no one who was watching at the time didn't laugh!)
• How a black person could be a republican.

After all, most of the hits to this entry are by people searching "nigger innis" rather than "Niger Innis." We should serve the interests of the people who request this page. I don't think anyone really wants to know about Niger's life/accomplishments. They just want to laugh. --130.85.251.124 02:37, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I must second this. Please don't delete my comment, even if it does displease you. 17:18, 2 May 2006 68.35.148.201 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.148.201 (talk • contribs)

This Article is a Joke

Unbelievable! This whole discussion is racist. The assumptions are backward and ignorant. I've read the article and it is horrible, but even if hadn't read the article one can tell that this article would be horrible, just from the racist, backward and ignorant comments displayed on this page. First of all, Wikipedia CLAIMS to have found a new belief in protecting the pages of living people. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. However, the first phase of business is go through the edit history and find out who left these ignorant, racist comments and paste their IP addresses on this talk page.--Getaway 12:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)