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A fact from Nicole Chang-Leng appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Nicole Chang-Leng has been described as a "daughter" of the Seychelles?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nicole Chang-Leng.

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 17:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chang-Leng in 2007 receiving her captain's epaulettes

... that "daughter" of the Seychelles Nicole Chang-Leng commanded an all-woman crew?

Source: Joubert-Lawen, Rita (2022-11-04). Bonnelame, Betymie (ed.). "Seychelles' first female international flight captain passes away". Seychelles News Agency. Retrieved 2024-06-24."The country will remember her as a true daughter of our soil. May her family be given courage as they go through this difficult period. May her soul rest in peace," said Ramkalawan...Chang-Leng became the first woman to command an all-female flight crew as commander on a Seychelles-Mauritius flight on August 23, 2007
"Passengers hail first all-female crew flight". Seychelles Nation. 2007-07-24. Retrieved 2024-07-30.

ALT1: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by Wavel Ramkalawan, commanded an all-woman crew?
ALT2: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by its president, commanded an all-woman crew?
Reviewed: [[]]
Comment: I provided in-text attribution for the "daughter of our soil" part within the article; I'm not sure if I need to provide it within the hook as well. I provided two alternative hooks just in case, but Seychellois presidents describing Chang-Leng as important is hardly controversial.

Moved to mainspace by GreenLipstickLesbian (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Not a review, but "commanded an all-woman crew" makes limited sense without context, and I'd be inclined to truncate the hook at "Seychelles", e.g. ALT3: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng has been described as "daughter" of the Seychelles?.--Laun chba ller 21:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good. Nice work. I think Launchballer's suggestion is best given his mentioned concern, though if you prefer that the hook mention the all-woman crew, let me know. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Guess who was offline when she got the watchlist notifications for this haha) But anyway, thank you @Launchballer: for the alternate hook and @BeanieFan11: for the review! I definitely tunnel-visioned a bit the sourcing for her being "first" wasn't as strong as I'd have liked it to be for a main-page hook, and while I'd obviously liked to have include the all-woman thing, I'm not sure it's going to work out. But, before this gets finalized, is there any objection to possibly changing the hook to "pilot Nicole Chang-Leng"? I think it might attract aviation enthusiasts, but I don't want to bog the hook down with excessive details. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see a hook.--Laun chba ller 09:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: ALT4: ... that airline pilot Nicole Chang-Leng has been described as "daughter" of the Seychelles? But then again, the entire point of Alt3 is that it makes the reader question why Chang-Leng has been described in this way. And I don't want to provide the answer within the hook, and while I can say that I'd, personally, be more inclined to read further if I knew she was a pilot, that's a pretty subjective opinion. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can tick that off. (How confident are we that the image is in fact Creative Commons, given that it appears in [1]? And if we are, would you like to submit it?)--Laun chba ller 09:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Brilliant, thanks! And concerning the image: I'm confident that Seychelles News Agency has permission to license certain Seychelles Nation images under various Creative Commons Licenses. The Seychelles News Agency regularly publishes (not reprints- actually originally publishes) Seychelles Nation photographs under a CC license; with other third party photos (social media photos, photos taken from other news agencies/government bodies), they're very scrupulous about marking them as all rights reserved. (see [2], [3], and [4] for examples of how they normally do it). I mean, it is theoretically possible that the Seychelles News Agency is just being incredibly callous about giving away images from one very particular news agency, but I'm going to say that I'm sure they have an agreement of some kind; there's no alternative that makes sense to me. I think we can assume good faith on their licensing, as much as we can assume good faith on any website with a solid record of providing attribution and correctly providing the license of so many images.

And I would love to submit the picture- but I am afraid I have to say that I don't know how. Is there a guide I can read somewhere? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:17, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good for them. Perhaps The Sunday Times would like to follow their example. (I plan on 5xing Piri & Tommy in the near future and this is an excellent image.) I've added the image; my usual advice is 'find another nom that does it successfully and adapt it. (And you don't have to keep pinging me - I do watchlist noms!)--Laun chba ller 10:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birthday

User:HapHaxion, you added the birthdate of Sep 28 1977. Which source did you get it from? I cannot find sources with this date online. Thanks. Bremps... 03:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The date was present at https://internationalflyguy.com/2022/11/16/seychelles-first-female-pilot-dies-at-45/. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 13:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be a pain, but I don't see that date (or any DOB) in the source. Could you check it again? Bremps... 05:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was an Instagram post inset into the article from africanaviators_official listing the date and also showing several photographs and a short video of the funeral procession. HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 14:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]