Talk:Nibiru (Babylonian astronomy)

Translation

Nibiru, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks Nibiru if they cannot find the passage. Nibiru is Marduk's star which the gods in heaven caused to be visible. Nibiru stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of Nibiru the post: "The one who crosses the middle of the sea (Tiamat) without calm, may his name be Nibiru, for he takes up the center of it". The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged.

I exchange the word Nibira with the word life as I read this passage and found it meant something which I felt was being quiet specific;

Life, which is said to have occupied the passageways of heaven and earth, because everyone above and below asks life if they cannot find the passage. Life is Marduk's star which the gods in heaven caused to be visible. Life stands as a post at the turning point. The others say of life the post: "The one who crosses the middle of the sea (Tiamat) without calm, may his name be life, for he takes up the center of it". The path of the stars of the sky should be kept unchanged.

The following is how I would interpret this German interpretation;

Life, which exists in many places throughout the universe and on earth, results in intelligent life throughout the universe and on earth, as determined by the capability of asking, ‘What is the meaning of the universe?’. Life is defined by strands of DNA which can scientifically be mapped. Life exists best wherever there is water. Of other worlds with the potential for life due to water "The worlds with oceans and currents and tides provide the best chance for the development of intelligent life, because these worlds reside in the correct solar temperate zone. The path of the stars of the sky will always be this way. (Life and more specifically intelligent life will always exist.)

msd62@msn 97.87.137.60 (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that to include that in the article would be the very definition of original research. Serendi^podous 07:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Serendipodous about presenting original synthesis — philosophical speculations about the connection between Life as a principle and Nibiru have no place in an article about Nibiru in Babylonian astronomy. This article should describe what is knowable about what the Babylonians thought about Nibiru.

I believe the word "crossing" is the key to this confused/confusing article: a planet either "nibires" or becomes equal to "nibiru" when it passes a certain path on the heaven. One can speculate on what paths there were in Babylonian astronomy, but the equinoxes and the solarstices are possible candidades, as well as the well known paths of Enlil, Ea and Anu (see Mul.Apin). I don't believe "nibiru" was a planet, maybe it was a mystical state that a planet attained when making a crossing. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe earthilier: "nibiru" is not a noun, but instead a "+ing"-form (a gerund), while modern imaginative and ignorant mind erroneously ascribe this verb form a vast flora of mystical qualities. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

As I suspected, not a gerund, but a stative verb form. There is no reason to believe that "nibiru" was an identifiable object. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 07:46, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Although this thread is long inactive, in case some editors want to insert some information again about Nibiru being an object or planet, I just want to point out that there is already information about Sitchin's beliefs [here], and I agree that it does not belong in this article. 76.10.128.192 (talk) 00:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Monotheism or Henotheism/Monolatrism

In the sentence "This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos suggesting an early monotheist tendency in Babylonian religion by various authors.". The correct term here wouldn't be henotheist, or even monolatrism rather than monotheism? ZackTheJack (talk) 15:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It could be erroneous information, however the 1905 reference given uses "Monotheistische" 76.10.128.192 (talk) 00:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Marduk monotheism? Irrelevant

I removed the following phrase from the article, though sourced:

This interpretation of Marduk as the ruler of the cosmos has been suggested by some authors to imply an early [[monotheist]] tendency in [[Babylonian religion]].<ref>Alfred Jeremias, ''Babylonisches im Neuen Testament'' (1905), p. 106; ''Monotheistische Strömungen innerhalb der babylonischen Religion'' (1904 lecture, printed in 1905).</ref><ref>{{cite book|last=Levenson|first=Jon Douglas|title=Creation and the persistence of evil: the Jewish drama of divine omnipotence|publisher=[[Princeton University Press]]|date=November 1994|edition=Reprint|isbn=978-0-691-02950-4|page=131|url=https://books.google.com/?id=VzaW_Du6N74C&pg=PA131&dq=Marduk+monotheism#v=onepage&q=Marduk%20monotheism&f=false}}</ref>

The source is from 1905, when scholars saw Abrahamic-like urmonotheismus everywhere. There is a background of truth, indeed, but it was nothing like later Abrahamic monotheism. Ancient cultures generally had a monistic/pantheistic/henotheistic view of reality in which one supreme principle begets all the other ones. This did not exclude the worship of multiple deities (i.e. polytheism), and was not like later Abrahamic monotheism.--188.218.122.169 (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

hot mess

this whole article is a hot mess of jumbled and confusing chat with nothing clear at all. recent clarification seems to be that the nibiru or planet was the origin planet of the annanaki, and has a long orbit coming by earth only like every 3,500 years. This clearer definition doesnt weave in well at all with the many many differe nt thread in this hot mess article though, while it does resolve to some clearer understanding what nibiru may be.... Pls add this thread ? and also you can configure the egyptian deification rite threads into this thread as they combine, galaxy wide coordinates, to create a new you/god spinning across those multiple locations, that one could say nibiru along to match up to the marduk / nibiru locations .... perhaps ... 69.121.189.159 (talk) 07:24, 12 November 2021 (UTC) real nibiru hot willie mess jr

You are thinking of the Nibiru cataclysm rubbish. This article is more about the ancient use of Nibiru to denote numerous "visible astronomical objects" such as planet Jupiter. -- Kheider (talk) 10:14, 12 November 2021 (UTC)