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@4TheWynne: I have a number of issues with the your recent edits in this article.
1. The statement "playing for Dublin in the Ladies' Gaelic Football Association" is factually incorrect. The LGFA is not a league or competition, it is a governing body. Even basic research make this obvious.
2. The sport she plays is Ladies' Gaelic football not Gaelic football.
3. You have removed from the opening summary the very reason/fact the article was nominated for "Did you know...". Not helpful.
4. Can you please stop imposing your "Australian rules" regarding honours on the article. As of January 2010 she has not played a single competitive game of Aussie rules. She is best known as a Dublin senior ladies' footballer. DjlnDjln (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with changing this first phrase to "playing for Dublin in the All-Ireland Senior Ladies' Football Championship and the Ladies' National Football League..."; the AFL is the governing body if its sport/competition of the same name, so an easy mistake to make.
This one's a bit tougher; for example, we don't say at AFLW player articles: "_______________ is a women's Australian rules footballer...", or at WNBL player articles "women's basketballer...", as you would just put the name of the sport. From what I can tell, there aren't major differences in the rules (definitely not completely different rules) compared to the men's version of the sport – there are only minor differences in rules between AFL and AFLW and across the sport down to local level, and therefore they aren't considered different sports (I know we're talking about Gaelic football, but I think similar logic can be applied here), which is why we put "Australian rules footballer" in the opening sentence of both men's and women's articles. I don't have a problem with having "Ladies' Gaelic football" in the infobox, but I do think it should simply read "...is a Gaelic and Australian rules footballer..." in the lead, as it does now (besides, in the version before I started editing the article, her Gaelic football career section literally says "Gaelic football" – you trying to tell me that was a mistake?).
Just because it was an interesting fact that saw the article added to "Did you know...", doesn't mean it belongs in the lead section of the article – the lead section is just supposed to summarise the article, and this is just repeating information, word-for-word, that is already in the body of the article. See Nina Morrison, for example – her article was also added to "Did you know..." for a fact ("...was nominated for the 2019 AFL Women's Rising Star award on debut – but suffered a season-ending knee injury in training the next week?") that is the body, rather than the lead, of the article.
The way that the honours and achievements section is currently formatted is a lot neater than it was – I haven't seen any other sports list runner-up finishes in this section (or equivalent), and don't understand how it's necessary. If McEvoy were to get a few AFL Women's games this year and win an honour, an Australian rules football subsection would be added, but if she were to not play a game (or play but not win anything), I think the section should be moved up and made a subsection of her Gaelic football career section, as all of her achievements would only have been won in that sport.
If you were to revert all of my changes going back to the version linked above, you would genuinely be making the article worse. I'm happy to discuss these things, but I wouldn't be doing what I've been doing if I wasn't trying to improve the quality of the article. 4TheWynne(talk•contribs)02:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
4TheWynne,
I have done a revised version taking into account the following. 1. I have corrected your basic error implying the LGFA is a competition/league. You need to stop applying your "Australian logic" to articles about Irish sportspeople. What applies in Australia does not always translate to Ireland and before making changes you need to do some basic research. Your efforts to "improve the quality of the article" are sloppy and amateurish and have had the opposite effect. There was nothing wrong with the article to start with. 2. Articles should be linked to the most relevant related articles. Why does Wikipedia have articles like ladies' Gaelic football and Women's Australian rules football if they are exactly the same their male equivalent ? It is perfectly is ok to use "Gaelic football" and "Austrialian rules football" within articles but they should link to the correct lead article. 3. Regarding the infobox, there are slightly different infoboxes for the different Gaelic games. They link to different competitions, awards, etc. That is why "Ladies' Gaelic football" is used there. 4. Absolutely nothing wrong with the way the honours list was set up. I believe the original version is more thorough. DjlnDjln (talk) 14:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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