Talk:Niall Ó Glacáin

Protocol for Irish-language names

What's the protocol on Wikipedia for English-language articles about people whose primary language is Irish? This article uses the subject's Irish-language name (Niall Ó Glacáin), instead of the anglicised name (Niall O'Glacain) which seems to be more commonly used.

For the time being, I've maintained consistency by using the Irish-language names for the Dunleavy and O'Donnell families when they are mentioned. SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 05:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I have used the most common versions of names used in English-language sources, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). E.g., Donlevy and O'Donnell. For this reason, I think there is a good argument to change the title of this whole page from Niall Ó Glacáin to Nial O'Glacan.

SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 06:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: SkywalkerEccleston (talk · contribs) 13:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 10:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'll start this review. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

General comments

I'll be adding comments as I go. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for going through this. There's still a few things I feel need to be addressed, I'll flag them below. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 18:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Seen your changes, I'm happy with them. Passing. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Prose/content

Lede

• he may have followed them to Spain This ambiguity is not reflected in the body. Y
• Mentions of probably and likely need to be very careful to ensure they don't need attribution; if an author is submitting a contestable opinion or research.
• The Spain blockquote can be easily summed up in prose.
• Is Dyonisius Ultanus notable? If not don't need to mention his name
• The paragraphs, particularly in the France section, are too short. They often consist of 1-2 sentences and should be merged. If the subheading is too small, merge with Spain. Y Spain should be merged with France as it consists of one paragraph.
• Ó Glacáin was recorded as attending If there's no reason to doubt this, it can just be Ó Glacáin attended. Attribution of the historical documentation is not necessary in noncontroversial cases.
• It would later merge with the University of Toulouse in 1751. If this is mentioned, it should be in brackets and shortened or part of a note, i.e. (later part of the University of Toulouse).
• Can you refer to his suggested treatments by their most common name? i.e. clysters -> enema. Also clarify they're not fumigating people to get rid of the plague.
• An especially interesting part of the text editorializing, attribute
• Ó Glacáin also references the protective clothing worn by plague doctors in what way? Y I meant why is this worth mentioning
• MacCuinneagáin gives this date as 1642, and claims Ó Glacáin held this office until his death do you not believe him?
• What was Gregory Fallon known for?
• many of his associates associations?
• Professor of Eloquence amazing

Sources

Sources look good

Spot check:

1) It contained his concise descriptions of the plague and its various effects on different patients such as buboes, rashes, headaches, vomiting, and coma. Suggested treatments including bleeding, the use of clysters, purgatives, and fumigation. Y I generally oppose adding primary sources to reference a statement, when I have not read it, and when it is functioning as a further reading link as this is not the purpose of referencing. This is optional.

2) Surgeons in Tyrconnell had to amputate both of his big toes. It is possible Ó Glacáin was amongst these physicians. N Maybe I'm missing something, but Ó Glacáin is not mentioned in any of these sources. This appears like OR, reflecting my concerns earlier about speculating without attribution. Y: Removed

3) He probably received his early education from the local Donlevy family, a hereditary family of physicians. Y Why does the Dictionary say he died in 1665? ?

4) Some historians give him a birth date of around 1563, owing to a 1653 engraving that gives his age as 90. The Donegal Annual does not appear to be peer reviewed and is offline. Can you give me the relevant blockquote? Also, is the author a SME?

5) He mentions "Dyonisius Ultanus", of the Donlevy family, as a patient he treated in Valencia.: You've got to give a page number. I'm searing "Ultanus" and it's telling me "No matches were found."

6) probably in Bologna Y (additional check, focusing on speculation)

Other

• Images are tagged appropriately Y
• Stable Y
• NPOV Y
• Broad Y
• Copyvio Y (earwig 4.8%)
• OR Y

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 17:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the review, I have already begun updating the article. I'll let you know when I've addressed all these notes. SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 03:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have amended the article based on your feedback - it's now ready for you to readdress. SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 14:07, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi SkywalkerEccleston, pinging you in case you missed my last edit. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 12:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 09:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Niall Ó Glacáin

• ... that in the 1620s, Irish physician Niall Ó Glacáin (pictured) worked as a travelling plague doctor in Southern France?

• Source: https://www.dib.ie/biography/oglacan-o-glacan-nial-a6763

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Created by SkywalkerEccleston (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

SkywalkerEccleston (talk) 06:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article became a GA on 11 August. It is long enough, well-sourced with inline citations, neutral, and without copyvio problems. The hook is good and sourced in the Spain and France section. Image is freely licensed and used in the article. No QPQ needed. - JuneGloom07 Talk 03:40, 28 August 2024 (UTC)