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Picture

Lets get a picture up to keep it looking better! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.145.180 (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Emo Section

As funny as the Emo section was, it really wasn't needed. Like, at all. So I got rid of it. Yeah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Cribbit (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Addidions

Some of the recent additions to the page are of questionable value and purpose. Although some of them do have merit, I think that a lot of it can afford to be left out. Htmlguru4242 (talk) 23:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no citation for these plans for renovation. BrandtSchneider (talk) 03:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Stadium

The article claims that the stadium was re-named "blue and gold stadium" in 2004. This seems inaccuate to me, as it's been called "Blue and Gold Stadium" since at least 2002, probably earlier.

Nighthawk section

i suggest that the nighthawk section be re-titled "mascot" and the pedophile part be a new suggestion at all. also, 'It should be noted this school endorses homosexuality at a young age with their offensive Gay Straight Alliance' is very biased and should probably re written. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.181.181.97 (talk) 01:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Mrsa scare

Did the principal ever actually say that "only gross kids" got infected? I think we'd definitely need a source for that or we should take it down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.40.233 (talk) 13:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over Adam Lanza

I see editors have been reverting the notable alumni section back and forth over whether or not to include Adam Lanza, the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. While I can appreciate that some folks may not like seeing him added to the list, the prevailing precedent on Wikipedia is that such individuals are indeed "notable". As distasteful as it may be, take note that other perpetrators in similiar school shooting situations have their names lists on their high school's "notable alumni" lists (see below). Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 05:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perpetrator	Incident	High School they attended
Seung-Hui Cho	Virginia Tech massacre	Westfield High School (Fairfax County, Virginia)
Steven Phillip Kazmierczak	Northern Illinois University shooting	Elk Grove High School (Elk Grove Village, Illinois)
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold	Columbine High School massacre	Columbine High School

Editors removing Lanza's name need to stop. Although it will of course be very difficult for many people to accept, Lanza without question is notable per WP:PERPETRATOR, which states that a perpetrator is notable if "The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role." When the time is right, Lanza will have his own article, just as the perpetrators in Columbine and Virginia Tech do. And, as AzureCitizen noted above, those perpetrators are in fact on the Notable Alumni lists for those schools. Wikipedia's five pillars require that editors not be emotionally invested while editing. We must remain neutral and remember that we are editing an encylopedia. Thanks. --76.189.123.142 (talk) 05:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Except you have to graduate to be an "alumnus." Your own article notes he dropped out in the 10th grade. He may be an "attendee" but he is not an alum. 68.254.215.162 (talk)

You don't have to graduate to be an alumnus; the term includes graduates and former students. Take note above that Harris and Klebold did not graduate from CHS either. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 17:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Azure is absolutely correct. As the alumni guidelines explain, all notable people "are to be included on an alumni list, regardless of how much time they have spent on a school roll, from one day to several years, and whether or not they graduated.". --76.189.123.142 (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Azure is correct.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I continue to object to naming the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting as a notable alumni. While other perpetrators have been named above, there are certainly other perpetrators and mass murderers who are not named as notable. I will not name them here so as not to enable somebody from attempting to honor them. And, to use precedent as a reason for continued action makes the assumption that the precedent is correct. Sometimes, people need to examine precedent. Do not allow yourself to be a slave to the rules. If a rule does not make sense, then it should be changed. In fact, the five pillars mentioned above states that “Wikipedia does not have firm rules.” The rule named above mentions what can be notable; it does not state that naming somebody is mandatory. Somebody needs to make the conscious choice to honor an individual. Furthermore, the rule named above also states “If, however, there is only enough information about one notable event related to the person, then the article should be titled specifically about that event,” By that definition, a perpetrator of one event is not notable, even though the event is. The fact is that the five pillars do not discuss an emotional requirement, although it does ask for neutrality. Perhaps, somebody who makes an entry is emotionally attached to that entry. When their opinion is challenged, they emotionally react without neutrality to their own opinion. I do not have an attachment to this school, the city, or the event, and am quite neutral. I do have enough common sense to know that it is wrong to honor child killers. Clearly, we need to mark the event, but clearly it is wrong to honor this or any other perpetrator. Finally, I want to make it known that this particular individual should not be named as notable because 1. He was not a notable person and 2. Wikipedia specifically says that single events do not make an individual notable Sundevil35

Sorry, but by that thinking we would not have an article on Hitler. Those who urge inclusion are I believe in line with the wikipedia consensus as to what is acceptable. While there is no requirement that all notable people be reflected, he is certainly one. The fact that other notable people are not included is not an acceptable reason to exclude him--there are also notable musicians and politicians who are no doubt not (yet) included. Since he is notable, inclusion is appropriate if someone inserts his name. And as to "oneevent", see the explanation there as to why people like Hinckley (and Lanza) are in fact covered.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sundevil35, policy is abundantly clear on this matter. The one-event rule has clear exceptions. As explained previously, WP:PERPETRATOR qualifies Lanza and all other "major" murderers as notable. It says that a perpetrator is notable if "The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role." You claimed that "there are certainly other perpetrators and mass murderers who are not named as notable", but provided no names. Although it wouldn't matter, I know of no perpetrators in a historic crime that do not have an article. Notability on Wikipedia includes both the famous and infamous. And this was one of the worst school massacres in history. As hard as it may be to do, all personal feelings and emotions must be left aside when editing. This is a tragic event, but it's vital that we maintain the integrity of this project. This is an encylopeda article about a high school, not a high school yearbook. I understand your passion, though. Thanks. --76.189.123.142 (talk) 07:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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