Talk:Newspaper endorsements in the 2012 United States presidential election

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Propose combining LA News Group endorsements into one

All seven of the California newspaper endorsements listed as of 10/29 are the identically written and worded endorsement from the Los Angeles News Group, which owns every paper listed here:

LA Daily News, Long Beach Press-Telegram, Torrance Daily Breeze, Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, Redlands Daily Facts, San Gabriel Valley Tribune, Pasadena Star-News, Whittier Daily News

So for all those papers, there's really one endorsement, not eight separate endorsements. Compare them -- they are the identical editorial. In my opinion, this should be changed to one entry for "Los Angeles News Group."

superbu (talk) 04:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that sounds reasonable. -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Propose combining the Daily newspapers sections into a single table

This page would be more useful if the two major sections were combined into one and sorted by circulation - similar to this page at ucsb.edu. This would make it easier to compare candidate endorsements by circulation and state-by-state without having to scroll up and down the page. And adding a separate column for the city (or metropolitan area). (The formatting is borrowed from Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2012.) -- Cassiuscarr (talk) 08:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper	Largest reported circulation	2012 endorsement	City	State	2008
Houston Chronicle^[1]	916,934^[2]	Mitt Romney	Houston	Texas	Barack Obama
Chicago Tribune^[3]	779,440^[2]	Barack Obama	Chicago	Illinois	Barack Obama
Dallas Morning News^[4]	702,848^[2]	Mitt Romney	Dallas	Texas	John McCain
Denver Post^[5]	595,363^[2]	Barack Obama	Denver	Colorado	Barack Obama
New York Post^[6]	555,327^[2]	Mitt Romney	New York	New York	John McCain
The Arizona Republic^[7]	538,579^[2]	Mitt Romney	Phoenix	Arizona	John McCain
Philadelphia Inquirer^[8]	517,310^[2]	Barack Obama	Philadelphia	Pennsylvania	Barack Obama
Los Angeles Times^[9]	512,744^[2]	Barack Obama	Los Angeles	California	Barack Obama
The Plain Dealer^[10]	440,968^[2]	Barack Obama	Cleveland	Ohio	Barack Obama
South Florida Sun-Sentinel^[11]	245,869^[2]	Mitt Romney	Fort Lauderdale	Florida	Barack Obama

I don't have a major preference either way, but your proposal emphasizes circulation count as what's most important. Right now, the list's current emphasis is on who is endorsed, while circulation count is secondary. -- Wikipedical (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the focus probably should be more on whose endorsed. I did consider a change where we also list 2004 endorsements when known.--T. Anthony (talk) 09:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree that the focus should be on who was endorsed rather than on the paper's circulation. In Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 2008, the Obama and McCain endorsements eventually got split off into separate pages. The way things are now, with separate tables, it would be easy to split the Obama endorsements and the Romney endorsements off to separate pages, if it gets to the point where people want to do so. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. I think as it stands now, we currently do not need to split the page yet. -- Wikipedical (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I hope that's not necessary for awhile. I kind of prefer it all on one page. No having to flip page to page to compare.--T. Anthony (talk) 06:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - The way the layout is seems confusing. I just wasted my time correcting things that didn't need to be corrected. Teammm ^talk
      _email 16:00, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - I just added a sentence to the intro in hopes of reducing the potential confusion. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:09, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks :) Teammm ^talk
        _email 04:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Romney for president". Houston Chronicle. 2012-10-19. Retrieved 21 October 2012.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ACCESS ABC: eCirc for Newspapers Cite error: The named reference "Audit Bureau of Circulations" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ "Our children's America". Chicago Tribune. 2012-10-26. Retrieved 26 October 2012.
^ "We recommend Mitt Romney for president". Dallas Morning News. 2012-09-28. Retrieved 4 October 2012.
^ "Barack Obama for President". Denver Post. 2012-10-19. Retrieved 19 October 2012.
^ "For America's future, The Post endorses Mitt Romney for president". New York Post. 2012-10-25. Retrieved 25 October 2012.
^ "Romney can lead economy forward". The Arizona Republic. 2012-10-21. Retrieved 21 October 2012.
^ "Obama will do a better job". The Philadelphia Inquirer. 2012-10-14. Retrieved 14 October 2012.
^ "Obama for president". Los Angeles Times. 2012-10-21. Retrieved 21 October 2012.
^ "On the basis of sound leadership, re-elect Obama: endorsement editorial". The Plain Dealer. 2012-10-20. Retrieved 20 October 2012.
^ "Sun Sentinel endorses Mitt Romney for president". South Florida Sun-Sentinel. 2012-10-26. Retrieved 26 October 2012.

Circulation figures

Most of the circulation figures on this page come from http://abcas3.accessabc.com/ecirc/newssearchus.asp although for the last two days I haven't been able to access that page. I keep getting a "500 - Internal server error". (I had been able to access the page until a couple of days ago.) Has anyone else been having the same problem -- or perhaps not having the same problem, because I note that other circulations citing that site have been added during that period? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've since changed the source URL to http://abcas3.accessabc.com/ecirc/newsform.asp which does work properly. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2008 endorsements

John McCain is not running this year. Your page for the 2012 newspaper endorsements shows the 2008 election. fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.171.22 (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See the second sentence of the article: "(The tables below also indicate which candidate each publication endorsed in the United States presidential election, 2008, where known.)" We included a column to show the 2008 endorsements as a way of comparing the newspapers' 2012 endorsements to their 2008 endorsements. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:07, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Romney for president". Houston Chronicle. 2012-10-19. Retrieved 21 October 2012.

[Audit_Bureau_of_Circulations-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ACCESS ABC: eCirc for Newspapers Cite error: The named reference "Audit Bureau of Circulations" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[3] "Our children's America". Chicago Tribune. 2012-10-26. Retrieved 26 October 2012.

[4] "We recommend Mitt Romney for president". Dallas Morning News. 2012-09-28. Retrieved 4 October 2012.

[5] "Barack Obama for President". Denver Post. 2012-10-19. Retrieved 19 October 2012.

[6] "For America's future, The Post endorses Mitt Romney for president". New York Post. 2012-10-25. Retrieved 25 October 2012.

[7] "Romney can lead economy forward". The Arizona Republic. 2012-10-21. Retrieved 21 October 2012.

[8] "Obama will do a better job". The Philadelphia Inquirer. 2012-10-14. Retrieved 14 October 2012.

[9] "Obama for president". Los Angeles Times. 2012-10-21. Retrieved 21 October 2012.

[10] "On the basis of sound leadership, re-elect Obama: endorsement editorial". The Plain Dealer. 2012-10-20. Retrieved 20 October 2012.

[11] "Sun Sentinel endorses Mitt Romney for president". South Florida Sun-Sentinel. 2012-10-26. Retrieved 26 October 2012.

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