Talk:New York State Route 96

New York State Route 96 has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 4, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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U.S. state highways

Locations

New York

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Article recognition:

	This article was the Selected article of the New York Roads Portal in June 2013.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York State Route 96/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: –Grondemar 03:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Working I will post the review shortly. –Grondemar 03:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very good, comprehensive article. It needs just a few tweaks to achieve good article status:

~~The first paragraph under Route description: the word "Maintained" is used in virtually every sentence. Is there another word that could be used here, for variety?~~

Not really since maintenance and maintained are the two best words.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 00:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK. –Grondemar 13:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to mention somewhere that NY 17 is becoming I-86 shortly; I had to look through those article to determine if the intersection of NY 96 and NY 17 had yet been redesignated as I-86. This is made doubly confusing by the map in the infobox, which shows the Southern Tier Expressway as I-86 on both sides of the intersection with NY 96 but doesn't even sign NY 17.

The thing marks the two segments of Interstate 86, which is currently the situation.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 00:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps then the map should show a NY 17 somewhere on the highway as well? –Grondemar 13:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That could be fixed in a few minutes, but I'm no good at working on the maps.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's silly to add a marker that will have to be removed eventually, but whatever, I've added it. – T M F 11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The NY 17 shield can always be removed when the State of New York finally finishes the road. –Grondemar 12:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ontario County: Is there a historical reason for the cloverleaf between NY 96 and NY 14? Often I've found the reason for an overbuilt intersection is because a highway was once intended to be there, but was canceled.

Not sure if that's significant enough to be handled in the Route description.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 00:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Without some information on the intersection being provided here, we will never know. If you could provide a little background here on the talk page, we can decide whether it belongs in the article or not. –Grondemar 13:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know the project, if and when the one who nominated this (and my NY research partner) comes back, he could probably answer.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 22:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On this and the map issue: there's no rush. We can wait until TwinsMetsFan is available to comment. –Grondemar 22:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt anyone will ever find the reason, if one exists. Based on topo maps, it was converted into an interchange at some point between the early 1950s and the late 1970s, meaning finding any coverage of the conversion is highly unlikely. If I had to guess, I'd say the interchange was built because 1) NY 96 runs across significantly higher terrain than NY 14 does and 2) the state once thought that the number of travelers heading from the Thruway to NY 96 south would eventually overwhelm that part of NY 14. I say NY 96 south here because this is roughly the point where NY 96 stops paralleling the Thruway and makes its southern turn into the Finger Lakes region. Based on what I've seen over the years, the latter situation isn't happening anytime soon. – T M F 11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. –Grondemar 12:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Ref 9: Is "tourguide" misspelled, or is that the actual name of the map?~~

Actual name.Mitch32^{(Erie Railroad Information Hog)} 00:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. –Grondemar 13:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From the article's source code:

{{cite map |title=New York and New Jersey Tourgide<!--sic--> Map |publisher=Gulf Oil Company |cartography=Rand McNally and Company |year=1960}}

- note the sic. – T M F 11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
This GA review is placed on hold pending the addressing of the above concerns.

Thank you. –Grondemar 04:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With all my concerns addressed, I will pass this good article nomination at this time. Congratulations! –Grondemar 12:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Northern terminus

It's unclear whether the northern terminus has been truncated from East Main St. to the Inner Loop. Route logs from 2004, 2009, 2012 and 2017 all show "Inner Loop" as the terminus, but contemporary inventory files show it as East Main St. The 1970 route log shows US 15 (South Ave. at the time) as the terminus, and it's possible that a route log after 1970 changed the terminus to "Inner Loop", referring to Plymouth Ave. (which for a time formed the western side of the Inner Loop). In other words, NY 96 may have been extended along Main St. to Plymouth Ave., where it would have met the eastern terminus of NY 33 (already given in 1970 as "Inner Loop").

In short, it isn't evident from the route logs that the terminus of NY 96 was recently, if ever, placed at the eastern edge of the Inner Loop—and even if it was, the Inner Loop no longer exists at that location, so the terminus would need revision anyway. ESRoads (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]