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Change of Intersection Template

This article was changed to bring its intersection template to the NYint format. No other changes were made. It is important to verify, update and/or correct as necessary. Fwgoebel 16:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Roundabouts and congestion

NYSDOT study did not find increased delays. Roundabouts are often more efficient than circles, and can handle the same amount of traffic with fewer lanes. A Poghkeepsie Journal article discusses the study, but I'm not paying to buy the archive. http://localsearch.poughkeepsiejournal.com/sp?aff=117&keywords=roundabout&sNum=11&pubDate=&author= Triskele Jim (talk • contribs) 14:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

As somebody who lives in Poughkeepsie, and reads the Poughkeepsie Journal regularly, I can tell you that the article contained complaints from several local residents. Smartyllama 18:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Some people will always be resistant to change. Complaints are not verifiable encyclopedic content, especially when delay studies have been done and can be cited. An IIHS study found that more often than not, the majority of people come around and support roundabouts after living with them for a while. Triskele Jim 14:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Complaints are complaints. therefore, while stating that it slows traffic would be bad, stating that some residents have complained that the roundabouts slow traffic would be fine. Smartyllama 19:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Accidents

After noticing several users have removed the "Accidents" section from the article, I would like to hear people's opinion on weather it should stay or not. I personally believe it should stay, as it adds to the comprehensivness of the article. Please voice your opinion. Thank you. Juliancolton The storm still blows... 16:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe it should, as fatal automobile accidents, sadly, are fairly frequent. If every road article listed every fatal accident that occurred on the roadway, some of the expressways would have dozens of these, and I question their place in an encyclopedic article about that road. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


User Arpingstone wrote, "Sorry to remove your hard work but accidents are not appropriate in a Road article. All roads have accidents not just this one, so the addition is not notable."
I wrote, "Every year in the U.S. alone, 43,000 people die in traffic crashes. Sorry to say, but an individual crash is not notable enough for inclusion," and "As tragic as it was, discussion of a single crash is not germaine to an encyclopedia. A discussion of safety performance of the whole route could be."
One crash, regardless of its severity, is not a statistically significant representation of a road's safety performance. Traffic engineers (myself included) prefer to use at least three years of crash data before passing judgement on a whether a road has a safety problem.
Note that statistical significance refers to whether you can draw valid conclusions from data. It should not be confused with notability. With one crash, you can't say whether it was random chance or part of a pattern.
Even if three years of crash data were available, I submit that it would not be notable unless the road was significantly safer or less safe than the average road. Since NYSDOT does not as a rule release its list of high accident locations, any discussion would be speculation.
The crash in question is not newsworthy or notable out of the Dutchess County area. A similar crash in say, Matagorda County, TX, would probably not interest you. Well, they don't have snowplows, but you get the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triskele Jim (talk • contribs) 20:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

Here we go...

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    NY 52 is linked twice. Maybe others? Convert 450 ft, 20 mph and other units using {{convert}}. Relative directions like "turns right" and "turns left" isn't really recommended for a general description. I'm on the understanding that the description runs south to north, but it's not obvious to the general reader. Also, a picture may be worth a hundred words to describe that intersection. The parenthetical statement regarding Cedar Avenue doesn't have to be parenthetical. "AASHO" does not mean what you think it does. :-)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    The speed limits may need to be cited. I'll look into this. Otherwise it would be original research.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Where in New York is Dutchess County? Quick glance at the map doesn't reveal anything specific.
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    In spite of the attempts to make paragraph 1 of the Roundabouts section NPOV, it still isn't. Who is "some"? Also, the source does not say who objected to the idea of roundabouts, nor that traffic patterns have been altered, nor that drivers are intentionally avoiding the roundabout - most studies I have read indicate that drivers quickly adjust to roundabouts.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Good job so far, but it has a way to go. Good luck! —Rob (talk) 03:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments regarding point 1: I tried to fix the majority of turning issues by removing a lot of excess detail about that intersection. I agree that a picture would be the best course of action, but I live nowhere near Poughkeepsie. Perhaps Juliancolton can help; I believe he's from the Hudson Valley. I think Mitchazenia got the rest of the linking and turning issues. I left the Cedar Avenue statement parenthetical as I believe the prose flows better that way. As for AASHO... I don't understand what you're saying. Do you mean that it should be unabbreviated or something else? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 21:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Still need some sort of source for the controversy regarding roundabouts. A link to a local newspaper article would suffice. I'm okay for now with the speed limits staying, but I'd be more comfortable if they had a cite as well. —Rob (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted the change of "AASHO" to "AASHTO". AASHO did not become AASHTO until 1973, thus it was known as AASHO when US 202 was assigned in 1934. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks good now. —Rob (talk) 17:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

State Route 376D?

If anyone can find the actual road, the Dutchess Bridge Inventory from the NYSDOT shows a crossing over the Big Black Stream in the town of Wappinger. The 376D reference is located on Page 8 of this inventory. Also if anyone could get a picture of this so-called 376D, it would be a real benefit. It supposedly has a reference marker signing it as such but there is no sign for it. This is a request that I make that its necessary its found so it doesn't cause later problems.Mitch32contribs 19:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Unless NYSDOT uses different names for the local streems and creeks, Big Black Stream does not appear to exist. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 20:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Ooh, I see. Sprout Creek is exactly 2.5 miles southeast of New Hackensack, which 376 and a few other roads cross. I vaguely remember hearing Sprout Creek referred to as "Big Black Creek", so I know where this is. I'll try to get a shot of it when I get a chance. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 20:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Some decades back, NYSDOT and Dutchess County traded some roads. Spackenkill Rd, Salt Point Turnpike (west of the TSP) and a few others became state roads, and a few minor state roads were given to the County in exchange. I suspect this may be one of them. I don't have any documentation, I just recall hearing about it when I worked in the NYSDOT Poughkeepsie office in the 90's.--Triskele Jim (talk) 14:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I can tell you for a fact that Robinson Lane is NOT a country road. It may be unsigned state route. I always thought it was a town route, but it is possible I am mistaken. Smartyllama (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Well...I dunno what really to make of the 376D entry in the log. It's certainly not referring to Robinson Lane as it is nothing more than a town-maintained highway. In any event, I downloaded and filtered the DOT's Region 8 inventory listing to show only state-maintained highways within the town of Wappinger, and only four roads came up: US 9, NY 9D, NY 82, and NY 376. No reference routes or otherwise unnumbered state highways came up. So, I tend to think that the entry is really for 376 itself and the DOT mashed up the 9D and 376 designations for whatever reason. – TMF 21:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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