Talk:XFL (2020–2023)

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Merge with the original XFL page?

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The result of this discussion was not merged per prior discussion. Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 19:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Two pages seems redundant. I don't recall any other sports page separating things out like this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jidery (talk • contribs) 03:27, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jidery: see the overwhelming consensus to split here Talk:XFL#Separate article for XFL 2020? - Galatz^Talk 04:20, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd say separate until it actually begins play. Then it might make sense to have it merge. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:58, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Already discussed. Merging it with an article on its failed incarnation will just bog it down. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Page move

I started a discussion at Talk:XFL#Requested_move_25_September_2019 which could affect this page - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Globe Life Park use Turf surface for American Football / Soccer venue, not Grass

https://ballparkdigest.com/2019/10/17/globe-life-park-conversion-plans-unveiled/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by S s47 (talk • contribs) 12:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

what a mess

Section 2.1.5 states, "Unlike other football leagues, a coin toss is not used to determine who is on offense first; instead, the visiting team is on offense first and home team on defense first for each round, similar to baseball."

However, section 2.2 contradicts that, stating, "The designated home team automatically gets, at the start of the game, to choose to kick off, receive or defer to the second half. There is no coin toss traditionally seen in other football leagues, or any opening scramble that was a hallmark of the original XFL. In the event of overtime, the visiting team will be given the choice of going first or second or selecting which end zone to attack (with the home team getting the other choice)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subject Matter Expert Supreme (talk • contribs) 04:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Chapter 11 bankruptcy

According to multiple reports on Twitter, the XFL has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. This is different from the bankruptcy that the Alliance of American Football declared, which was Chapter 7. It seems that under Chapter 11 there is an option to just reorganize the company, while Chapter 7 straight up sells off all assets. Does this prove the league has folded? Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It appears this is still not the final nail in the coffin. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

All player contracts have been terminated (per [1] and other sources) and according to the bankruptcy filing, only 18 employees remain under contract. Still not clear whether these include the eight head coaches, seven of whom were listed as outstanding liabilities in the filing. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

All personnel, including players, coaches, office workers, and the commissioner have been let go. Every reliable source describes the league as "shut down" and "folded". All also describe there being no plans for a return whatsoever. The article as written is out of touch with reality in using the present tense. The league is dead, as plainly stated in all reliable sources. Period. oknazevad (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: According to this article, McMahon is planning to sell the league by July 15. Also in the article: There’s a significant difference between Chapter 11 and Chapter Seven. The latter option, which the AAF pursued, entails complete and total liquidation of the business. The former keeps open the possibility of an eventual return, following reorganization of the business and handling of the debts. There is a difference between "suspending operations" and "ceasing operations", and the XFL has only done the former so far. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:09, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources continue to use the term "shut down" and "folded". An I mean sources like Forbes and Hollywood Reporter. It has no players, coaches, front office personnel, or central office staff. Plain fact is the league ended operations, and is not a functioning sports league, even if the business corporation still legally exists. To use the present tense as though it were still functioning is inaccurate, and frankly succumbs to POV put out by corporate to make themselves look better. (Which, in case you haven't seen it, is going to be needed, as it turns out Vince didn't disclose that WWE, Inc. held a stake, claiming that they were completely separate, which is possible securities fraud and has already seen the threat of lawsuits. But I digress.) oknazevad (talk) 15:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: Are articles from Forbes and The Hollywood Reporter more reliable for discussing an American football league than Profootballtalk.com or ESPN.com? The ESPN article cited in the lead says a handful of executives remain employed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

The are equally so, especially from a business perspective. A few caretakers to serve as executives of record are a legal requirement of a company in bankruptcy, so that doesn't mean anything. oknazevad (talk) 17:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: Since Forbes and THR readers are unlikely to be heavily interested in a spring football league, doesn't it make sense that the writers would want to simplify the verbiage of their articles? The sports publications would provide more detail for their readers who are more interested in the subject, and since one group of sources that is geared more towards a layman contradicts another more subject-specific group of sources, I think we need to go with the sports sources here. The bankruptcy proceedings will end with either a reorganization of the league or liquifying the rest of their assets, so we'll find out soon either way which direction it goes. Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

My concern is that all the ESPN source adds is a quote from statement that is, to be frank, a self-serving denial by the XFL. And that is in the middle of an article that otherwise states plainly that the league is shut down, based on contacting actual sources.

Also, I disagree that a source like Forbes would be less reliable for this than a sports-precocity source. Bankruptcy is a business and finance matter, so business media sources are actually preferable for those details.

Either way, describing the league in the present tense as a sporting entity is inaccurate. The XFL has no current sports operations. oknazevad (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eagles247: I feel this is related to this conversation and ask for help. Has the XFL ceased operations? If not shouldn't "The XFL was" be changed to "the XFL is". Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 16:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: I don't believe they have ceased operations despite the reporting by some general-news outlets. None of the sports outlets have described their current operation as anything other than "suspended operations", and I disagree with Oknazevad above. There is edit warring going on at the team article pages and this page now about whether the league has folded or not, and we'll need a clear consensus here to move forward one way or the other. I'm going to post at WT:NFL and WT:AMF to see if anyone else wants to weigh in. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• I would use "suspended operations" for now, as it's what the sources seem to be using. Only a couple non-sports sources use the term "folded." I think we can discount those. I'd be shocked if the league plays another game, though, but that's not our job here. [2] SportingFlyer T·C 16:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
• "The XFL is a professional American football league owned by Vince McMahon's Alpha Entertainment. At present, the league has suspended operations and declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy due to the COVID crisis." would be my preferred lede. SportingFlyer T·C 17:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That would be ok for now. I too am very doubtful the league will ever play another game, and I don't think that reliable sources such as Forbes should be dismissed. Honestly, I doubt we'll ever get a formal announcement of shut down, and it will be just a de facto reality, just as we never did for the AAF or UFL in the past. Even if it still exists on paper, that's a mere legal technicality, and it has actually ceased operations.

In a strangely appropriate if distantly related example, the former World Championship Wrestling remained a subsidiary of Turner Broadcasting until it was formally disbanded in 2017 (though under a different name, as the rights to the WCW name were sold to WWE in 2001 along with the tape library), but no one would call it a functioning business entity; it existed only for reasons of legal obligations. Using the present tense for it after operations were shut down in 2001 would be wrong in plain English. We may be dealing with the same thing here. We'll see. But let's not be too much of a stickler for changing it when it's apparent that it will not return. oknazevad (talk) 18:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it will restart either, but it is a zombie. I'll go ahead and change the lede. SportingFlyer T·C 18:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, this thing is DONE. On a side note about WCW, the Time Warner subsidiary (renamed to Universal Wrestling Corporation, based on another promotion Turner had bought in the 1980s) was retained until 2017 to deal with outstanding contracts and lawsuits. Something similar may happen here, but XFL as a league is dead. --Khajidha (talk) 16:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Khajidha: Have you read the rest of this discussion? Today an article was published indicating McMahon is trying to sell the league with bids due by July 6, 2020. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Suspended operations is the best thing. They may not official announce folding, take Junior Basketball Association for example they pretty much have folded but haven’t ever officially announced it (though that could be because LaVar Ball is too prideful to admit it was failure). Sports related sources are more reliable for sports related news then places like Forbes, even if we’re talking the business side of sports. Let’s use suspended operations for now, and if no 2021 season is announced or the league formally announces its folded, then we can change it.--Rockchalk717 18:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

There are lots of news sources claiming that McMahon has sold the league to a consortium including former wrestler The Rock and Redbird Capital. As an example SI article from Aug 2020. After this sale though things start to get very strange. Majority of media reports for past 2 months indicate The Rock is in talks to (somehow) merge or join with the CFL. Either way, the XFL is not dead but who knows what future looks like. I also agree with some of the merge posts; I see no reason the XFL 2020 is a separate page than XFL 2001. Kav2001c (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)kav2001c

References

Many XFL players have signed with

Here it says "Since ceasing operations, multiple players from the eight-team league -- which was broadcast nationally on FOX, ESPN and ABC -- have gone on to sign with NFL teams." https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/football/the-rock-buys-xfl/95-b4248ffd-3434-4968-85a8-8e28f4d2908f One notable player who made headlines was P. J. Walker https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/carolina-panthers-sign-xfl-star-quarterback-pj-walker#:~:text=The%20Carolina%20Panthers%20signed%20XFL,first%20wave%20of%20free%20agency. The player storage is very relevant, as it also means that new players must be recruited.2601:447:4080:10:D1BA:D4BB:85D2:BCF6 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@2601:447:4080:10:D1BA:D4BB:85D2:BCF6: It's irrelevant that some players signed with NFL teams, because they also terminated every single other XFL player contract on April 10, 2020 per [3]. So why draw attention to the NFL signees? Most of the players signed by NFL teams won't even make their roster, let alone still be under contract with the teams when the XFL potentially starts up again in the spring. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

And thank you for self-reverting. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

XFL and ESPN are through

Please accept that XFL's own newsroom is now acknowledging these reports with the words "less interested."2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 (talk) 15:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

@2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9: XFL Newsroom is not affiliated with the XFL. At the bottom of their webpage: "XFL2K/XFL NEWSROOM IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE XFL, XFL.COM, OR ANY XFL TEAMS." The source you provided also does not even mention ESPN once. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes they are "affiliated with the XFL" See their website. It is not direct, but in the form of journalism [[4]].2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 (talk) 15:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Go to the very bottom of the webpage and it says "XFL2K/XFL NEWSROOM IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE XFL, XFL.COM, OR ANY XFL TEAMS." I don't know how I can be any clearer, they are not affiliated with the XFL. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Which is why I typed "not direct." Read the top and you'll see they somehow manage to go beyond commentary and act like the organization's news source. I love how Eagles fan Kevin Hart and The Rock make a good tag team in movies, but I also want to know why it claims no affiliation when it acts like an affiliate at the same time.2601:447:4080:10:D43:CDB4:795D:45A9 (talk) 15:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

"Affiliate" means they are officially connected to something else, so your assertion that the "XFL's own newsroom" is acknowledging a report is false. The article you have cited from "XFL Newsroom" (one of many fan-run XFL websites that are as reliable as other fan sports blogs) is purely a speculation piece, as they're giving their own opinions on how the XFL's future will look based on rumors floating around. This does not rise to level of verifiability expected from Wikipedia sources, especially when you used the term "confirmed" as if "Mickey Wind" is some world-renowned investigative journalist. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

XFL talking with AAF execs?

Mike A posted this to the Teams page without any source:

“On December 23, 2021, it was reported by XFL owner Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson that the league will be getting new teams for the 2023 XFL reboot. Executives from the old teams from the failed AAF have been in talks with the league since then about a possible revival of some (or all) these teams.”

Can anyone verify these claims with a source? Guardian2023 (talk) 01:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate/false content?

Hello! I don't know enough about the subject to fix this myself, but I think the content about the New York Jets is somebody poking fun at Jets fans. Just wanted to give someone a heads up. Amysisson (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

What happened to the logo?

The logo seems to have been removed from the page, what happened? Was it updated and the rights were not obtained? CanadianOntarian (talk) 23:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Question

Is XFL a major or minor sports league? SportsFan007 (talk) 06:35, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

If this above NCAAF but below the NFL, most likely it would be a minor league. 45BearsFan (talk) 23:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!! SportsFan007 (talk) 06:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW seems apparent here. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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• XFL (2020) → XFL
• XFL → XFL (disambiguation)
• XFL (2001) → XFL (defunct American football league)

– The current XFL qualifies as the primary topic per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. 2020 was a bad year to start anything but a conspiracy theory, and many were expecting the new XFL to fold as quickly as the first one, but the league has demonstrated that it has staying power and XFL pageview stats indicate that the XFL (2020) page gets far more views than the other XFL topics put together. I propose to simultaneously move XFL (2001) to XFL (defunct American football league) per WP:PRECISE because the average person is unlikely to know when either league was formed; therefore, using only the founding year as a qualifier is inadequate to differentiate it from the current league. Carguychris (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. The new XFL has yet to play a complete season; we don't have a WP:CRYSTALBALL, to make it a primary topic now seems premature to me. Let's not forget that the original XFL was a major news story in 2001 and has enduring notability. As for the second part of the request, the disambiguation tag with dates is the usual setup; see Category:Defunct American football leagues in the United States. No objection to renaming the article to XFL (2020–) to better indicate that this is a presently-operating league. 162 etc. (talk) 00:50, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. No primary topic. The original XFL has at least the same, if not more, enduring long-term notability. It was a major news story in 2001, and was the subject of a book Long Bomb: How the XFL Became TV's Biggest Fiasco and a subject of an episode of 30 for 30. Similar to the United States Football League of the 1980s and the current United States Football League (2022). Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:30, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose it’s too soon. If this does come back as planned and has multiple successful seasons I can see a case for a move in a couple of years but not now.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 03:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose revisit this after they've played a full season. Criticalus (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - in addition to the above, we shouldn't date items in the titles. A year is a much better disambiguation than saying "defunct", what if the new one becomes defunct? We aren't in the business of making temporary articles or article titles. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Per all reasons given above.★Trekker (talk) 15:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - I think a new page should be made just called 'XFL' once this league has played 1 full successful season. With there being a total of 3 pages. As I think this new XFL deserves a new page, as this league has totally different ownership to the past 2 XFL's, has a new logo and colour scheme, and new stated goal of being a "2nd chance league for players". Rather than some "old school" football league with hard hits and etc. Which Vince Mcmahon envisioned.

3 pages:

- XFL (2001)

- XFL (2020)

- XFL ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on account that, at least until the 2020 incarnation plays through week 6 of the 2023 season (and thus has played more games than the original league) and more likely after the end of the 2023 season once it becomes evident that the league will play in 2024, the two leagues under that name are more or less on equal footing in terms of overall impact. Disagree with ZlatanSweden10 and the assertion that there should be separate articles for the 2020 and 2023 incarnations, because of evidence of direct transfer of the extant league and IPs from previous owner and founder to current owners and continuous (as much as possible with respect to COVID) behind-the-scenes operations. It's a similar situation to the Arena Football League and its purchase out of bankruptcy; we treat that league as one incarnation despite the change in ownership. I would not oppose having a summary article discussing both the 2001 and 2020/2023 incarnations given both being strongly tied to Vince McMahon. But that might be another topic of discussion. Regardless of whether the 2020/2023 league should be made primary, there is absolutely no case for moving XFL (2001) because that article title is already in line with how we disambiguate other sports leagues by the same name here—by year. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 21:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, too soon, no primary.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. If anything, the primary topic is going to be the 2001 league after which the 2020 league takes its name. The long-term significance of the 2001 league is significantly greater than that of the later leagues; moving the 2020 league to be the primary topic seems inappropriately recentist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red-tailed hawk (talk • contribs) 16:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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Tampa Bay Vipers and Orlando Guardians "relations"

After formal announcement of the new teams names it impossible to connect between the former Tampa Bay Vipers to the new Orlando Guardians team. Now the question is do we need to start new articles for the Orlando Guardians and Vegas Vipers, or consider the "Vipers" and "Guardians" as relocating "franchises"? StanleyKey (talk) 02:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I would hold off for now until there is an official source, just incase something changes or something is revealed otherwise, but common sense would have them being relocated teams, considering they share the same name and near identical logos aside from color scheme. Camelboiis (talk) 08:04, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

2023 XFL

Hi. The article gets a bit confusing by having info on the 2023 XFL Mixed in. I would suggest 2023 XFL Gets its own Wiki Page. They already have coaches & QBS Set. With ABC/ESPN TV Contracts set why not break off 2023 into its own page now & then streamline this page by removing 2023 info which has really nothing to do with the 2020 XFL. Thanks. 2603:7000:BE00:4B:C078:FE3D:6623:A21C (talk) 03:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree. But I think this league should be left to play a full season first before talking about making a new page, and this page being changed to "XFL (2020)". ZlatanSweden10 (talk) 01:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Agree. There was a discussion along these lines, above, but I think it was wrong. Perhaps hindsight and all, but the 2023 edition of the XFL does not have any direct ties to the 2020 edition other than name, and some similarities in team name and cities. Different players, different coaches, and some different rules. XFL itself refers to this edition as "XFL 3.0." In many ways, XFL 2023 has less in common with XFL 2020 than the latter did with XFL 2001 -- in particular, completely different ownership. So there should be separate pages for the three XFLs the same as there are separate pages for the 5 or so USFLs. XFL should equate to XFL (2023) (which should be a redir to the former), with an in-page dab note for XFL (2020) page and XFL (2001) page. Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Not sure we even need a move discussion. It would suffice to copy this page to XFL (2023) and whittle both down to the content relevant to their distinct entities and periods. Would need buy in to agree to pare the scope of this down to solely "XFL 2.0" as the current league calls it. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Split proposal: XFL (2020) and XFL (2023)

Proposal: Split out 2023 content from this page onto a fresh [XFL] page (as it is current) with a redirect from XFL (2023).

The league has now played a full regular season, and it seems clear at this point that the 2020 entity and the 2023 entity are not quite the same thing, even if the 2023 did capitalize on many aspects of the 2020 league, such as names and cities, it's a distinct model with distinct structure and distinct decisions, as well as distinct staff and players, in addition to distinct owners, rules, and practices. There is not any fundamental carryover from the previous to the current outside of branding. In addition, the current edition of the league refers to itself as "XFL 3.0," with the 2020 edition being referred to as "XFL 2.0" and so on.

-Keith D. Tyler ¶ 00:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: Over the history we seen examples like this (most notably - the World League of American Football who became NFL Europe). Most of the teams are the same, the level of play is the same, and it regard as the same among the fan bases. Some might call it XFL 3.0, but in realty it's just continuation of the 2020 season. Having said that, I do think we need move the XFL (2020) article to onto a fresh XFL page. BabyBOY789 (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oppose to split this article like that makes no sense to me. It is the same league. Catfurball (talk) 17:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

The only thing that connects 2020 to 2023 is the name and some of the team names. What is the basis for "it's just a continuation of the 2020 season?" Just the names? Because that's all there is that is the same between the two. Nothing but branding is continued. Keith D. Tyler ¶ 01:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Comment I do think we need move the XFL (2020) article to onto a fresh XFL page - the 2020 league doesn't lead the 2001 league in pageviews by a huge margin. I'd argue that WP:NOPRIMARY applies, and I'm the one who proposed the previous pagemove. Carguychris (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Imagine that a generic company goes bankrupt, suspends operations for a while, then resumes business under new ownership with new corporate officers and a somewhat different corporate structure. However, it operates from the same locations with many of the same employees selling the same basic product or service, although some differences are evident to an astute observer. Is it the same company? I'd argue that it is, and so would most laypeople. There are numerous examples outside of sports (e.g., Chuck E. Cheese, many American big-box retailers). This isn't a situation like XFL "1.0" to the current league or, say, Braniff International Airways to Braniff, Inc., where a corporation ceases operations permanently, it's liquidated, and a completely different company selling a similar product later emerges, but the only thing they truly have in common is the IP. Carguychris (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Merge discussion: XFL (2001) and XFL (2020)

As opposite to the discussion above, I propose to merge the XFL (2001) and XFL (2020) articles. A majority of the history displayed in the 2001 article is already in the newer one. The league/company is the same, since McMahon purchased the remaining shares from NBC to form XFL 2020. Instead of proposing a split from every season, I think all XFL pages should be merged together.

Let's merge it into an "XFL" article.

Afrique0512 (talk) 08:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Already discussed in the past, but those leagues has nothing in common beside sharing name and creator. McMahon himself even said it in the introductory press conference. Both leagues are separate and should stay that way.Ccui123 (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Already discussed in the past, no reason to try again. XFL 2001 was owned by WWE & NBC while XFL 2020 was originally owned by Alpha Entertainment. The product presented on the field is different (different rules and different purpose). Bes2224 (talk) 06:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

“While XFL 2020 was originally owned by Alpha Entertainment.”

Other than McMahon, the biggest shares in Alpha Entertainment were owned by WWE, which held at one point more than 20% of the company. Afrique0512 (talk) 08:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Updating page to reflect the XFL conference

Since the XFL is now considered a conference of the UFL, should the info box and teams section be updated to reflect the change such as the teams section referencing the 4 teams in the conference (with the four folded teams moved to the defunct franchise table). I only have my phone for editing so I’m probably not the best person for such a change. Thoughts? Db9780 (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Since it never happened in other instances (i.e American Football League, American Basketball Association or the Intense Football League and United Indoor Football who merge into the Indoor Football League) it's best to keep the article as a "past league". Ccui123 (talk) 18:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

No, this article is about the former league. Any history post-2023 goes to the United Football League (2024) article. 162 etc. (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Page move II

Considering opening an RM. This page should be re-named XFL (2020–23), IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 18:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 13 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved to XFL (2020–2023). Consensus on the alternate proposed title. – robertsky (talk) 03:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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XFL (2020) → XFL (2020–23) – The league lasted only three years & then merged with the second incarnation of the USFL to form the UFL. Therefore the title should be book ended with a start & end year. GoodDay (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Note for example: We have International Hockey League (1945–2001). -- GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Along with the above reasons, it's not unusual for defunct sports league pages to use a start & end year in their titles. If an earlier league, had used the same name. GoodDay (talk) 16:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose it makes no sense to move the title of the article. Catfurball (talk) 16:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I just explained why we should. GoodDay (talk) 16:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support alternate move to XFL (2020–2023) per nomination and per MOS:YEARRANGE suggesting using the full year. Clearer, existing title makes it sound like one-year operation. SnowFire (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support either 2020–23 or 2020–2023 with a redirect from the other to the one that is ultimately chosen. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 03:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support alternate move to XFL (2020–2023) per SnowFire. DankJae 13:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support, and the full year is the norm per w. style (2020-2023). Randy Kryn (talk) 01:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support move to XFL (2020–2023) per SnowFire. Carguychris (talk) 20:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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Can someone fix the table at the top of the page?

it's a mess right now. It's not actually a table. Someone messed up the formatting so all the info isn't in a table anymore. I don't know how to fix it RyanConnell5150 (talk) 01:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)