Talk:New Woman

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 September 2020 and 22 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AbRoseD98. Peer reviewers: JiayiHannahMa, Littlemissgemini, Zeqin.

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Usage in the trans community

The term 'new woman' was adopted in the late 1980's to describe transsexual women who were 'post transition' - that is, who had completed whatever medical steps (other than life-long hormone treatment) they intended to undergo, and who had socially transitioned. For example, the New Women's Conference was a conference for post-SRS transsexual women that started at this time (1990). The term is largely dead in the trans community, but users of wikipedia might be at this page trying to puzzle out that usage of the term, it was fairly common at the time, and this period is important for understanding the rise of the transgender rights movement. Here's an [Odd definition] Anniepoo (talk) 20:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Translation > France ???

We have maybe a problem to translate or adapt in french the New Women (let's keep it in english) concept : Henry James (a superstar in France) is quoted, right, but you inject names of french women artists (down, in the blue template) and I can find out any reference to the « New Women » movement in their biographies [or on Gallica]. In France, several University Departments dedicated to Etudes de genre (Gender Studies, Women Studies, etc.) seem not so convinced by the first feminism wave in Art under the (not so) Belle Epoque era ; for instance, the French Third Republic Government was very up to « put in a sort of ghetto » all the paintresses (see Art School like atelier des femmes of Académie Julian, Paris Expo 1900, etc.), like « let's [we, the Men in charge of politics, money, etc.] give them a peace of territory » : this allowed capital symbolique (Bourdieu) is very fuzzy, it looks like those women have been manipulated. Strong [strong enough to say I speak up as a woman, but as a woman artist ? most of them wrote : there is no difference between men art and women art] personnalities like Abbéma or Colette were undoubtedly New Women oriented, but the point is : aren't we, maybe, here, building up a retroprojection of our own pro active feminism (comme une chose naturelle/normale/évidente pour nous) ?

I do need here a little help from you to write a good and fair view of this concept. Thanks in advance, and sorry for my very bad english (please answer in english here ) -- Spiessens 09:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiessens (talk • contribs)

Lack of sources and information on the Chinese Women's article

Hello, it appears to be that the article on how the New Woman movement affected Chinese women is missing a citation for a quote being used. Does anyone know which article/book/source was being used for this quote? I also have some concerns over the idea that the New Culture movement being portrayed as a pro-feminist movement when, from what I am aware of, it was a bit all over the place in terms of women's equality and rights. Does anyone have a source or two to back up the feminist standpoint of the New Culture Movement? Also, the article on Chinese women appears to be heavily biased. Again, are there any courses that back up these ideas? Not saying I disagree with them, but the lack of sources for this article and the lack of further information on how this movement actually affected Chinese women of both elite and common status is alarming to me.AbRoseDeck98 (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding To New Women article: Chinese section

Hello, I felt as if the Chinese section on the New Woman was lacking a paragraph/sentence which allows people to understand a bit more broadly the introduction of the New Women movement in China. Hopefully, this gives people reading a slight bit of information in regards to what they will be reading about. Please check out my sandbox if you have any questions or concerns. User:AbRoseD98/New_Woman AbRoseD98 (talk) 21:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC) 21:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I added to another author's comments related to the restrictive system of Confucianism. I added a few sentences about how education was simply a repacked version of the wife and mother trope on women but packaged as an advancement for women's equality and movement away from the restrictive nature of Confucianism. Please check out my sandbox if you have any questions or concerns. User:AbRoseD98/New_Woman AbRoseD98 (talk) 21:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I added a few other changes. I added some sub-headers to break up the article a little bit as it was getting rather messy. I also added a few sentences under the "Consequences" section to talk about how education did not benefit women and instead was for the nation. I then added a sentence at the beginning of the paragraph underneath it, related to New Women's suicide, to tie it together with the paragraph about education. I also fixed up some previous grammar mistakes that another author had on one of the paragraphs. Please check out my sandbox if you have any questions or concerns. User:AbRoseD98/New_Woman AbRoseD98 (talk) 21:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Further Additions to the New Women: China section

I added 2 sentences to add further understanding of the talk given in 1923 by Lu Xun. I also linked his name in the article to allow anyone who wants to know more about him easier access. AbRoseD98 (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I also added in 2 paragraphs about Chinese New Women writers Ding Ling and Chen Xuezhao. I further added sources to back up my claims and added links to 4 other wiki pages from the New Women page (Miss Sophia's diary, Ding Ling, Chen Xuezhao, and Feminism in China).AbRoseD98 (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Removing quoted information with no citation

Hello, I removed a sentence under the China New Woman section as it had no citation attached to it even though it was quoting information. I also updated a source by a previous editor (the source by Margery Wolf) as the page numbers seemed to be off from what they cited compared to where the information actually was located in the book. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. AbRoseD98 (talk) 20:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Long 'China' section may need to be split

The long "China" section may need to be split out into a new article, maybe called something like New Woman movement in China. Pinging student editor @AbRoseD98 since much of the expansion seems to be by them. Does anyone have thoughts? — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  02:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree. The article is horribly lop-sided at the moment. AbRoseD98 hasn't edited since 2020, so I think it could probably be done without ruffling any feathers. - SchroCat (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)