Talk:New Norcia, Western Australia/Archive 1

earlier comments

The Abbey section needs to be rewritten it's almost a petition for sainthood...--210.8.191.97 04:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Well Dom Salvado seems to have been a fairly remarkable man... but stuff like "Its saintly founder, like the Baptist of old, lived in the wilderness, leading the same nomadic life as the savages whom he had come to lead out of darkness" is... um... old-fashioned is probably the nicest way of putting it! It has a vaguely 1920s/30s feel to it, I suspect it's a quotation from an old history book (EDIT: it's from a Catholic encyclopaedia: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11005a.htm, and dates to 1910). In any case, the section is clearly not NPOV and would likely be quite offensive to many of the local aborigines. I've never heard any suggestions elsewhere that the local tribes were cannibals...

Unfortunately I don't have any books of local history to work from, or I'd volunteer to do some work on it. I doubt my recollections of a museum visit are quite accurate enough to justify anything.

I'm a bit surprised there's no mention of the miracle that occcured on the site, according to the local Benedictines. Also, does anyone know the name of the local tribe? It would be nice if we could name the particular group that was being evangelised... --Sapphire Wyvern 03:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Salvado's name

I'm changing the spelling of Salvado's name in the Abbey section to match that in the history section of the Abbey's website (http://www.newnorcia.wa.edu.au/monastery_history.htm). I trust this will meet with no objections. --Sapphire Wyvern 03:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Improvement drive

Big edits to first part. I got a far as the sour dough and got hungry.

Derived from Catholic encyclopedia. ... a category!? Might be a new article in second part, or big deletions. Good page idea. Fred.e 01:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

My thought "the monestry chapel has recently been included in the tour", the last time I took tours to NN was 1993/4 and the chapel was generally included there was a couple of exceptions due to ceremonial events. Would this article by chance be the result of a broucher/web page. Gnangarra 15:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on images. Have seen my idea for an Barnstar? They were a bit funny about people going into chapel when I have been there. Fred.e 17:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Category

This monastic town has been placed into 'place of worship category' - while in the second para there is the comment 'New Norcia is the only monastic town in Australia' - It would be appreciated if anyone who has this talk page on watch as to whether a better categorisation for the town can be used. There is a chapel in the monks quarters - and community central parish church between the monastery and the main road - but the locality is not a place of worship as there are significant profane and non worship parts of the town - various secular activites occur within the town - so rather than annoy the category placer any further - if there is anyone watching this page - any suggestions for a more appropriate category - if someone finds one I promise I'll pay my overdue fees for my friends of new norcia membership :( SatuSuro 13:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

How about bumping it up a couple of levels in the category tree to Category:Religious places? - Mark 13:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting suggestion - pity the Australian places project is dead as a doornail - it could be a good chat in the talk there - I am very tempted as a friend of the place (with overdue sub) to suggest a couple of articles - so that the place of worship could go for the church and monastery chapel, the town as a locality , and another potential one is about the various colleges (all now closed), and the library and archive is worthy of an article by itself if done well - but suggesting only at this stage. SatuSuro 14:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

You could always create Category:Monastic towns in Australia, though I think we already know what the population of that category will be :) - Mark 14:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

There is part of the category system that does make allowance for 'linking' categories in the trees - which usually have only a sub category and no arts - perhaps there is a potential loophole policy for the possible category of one article - the other alternative is to create enough articles for an actual new norcia category (now where, um would that fit) - there is possibly at least 15 artciles that I can think of off the top of my head - but would take months to actually get written (most of the info is in new norcia itself) - and long term about another 10 to 20 articles depending....SatuSuro 14:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately my experience/knowledge of New Norcia only extends to "have been there a few times, vaguely remember it". I wouldn't be much help creating/expanding articles about the town without going Battye. If you want to make a project of it, I can organise that. - Mark 14:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Considering the sense of what makes up the potential initial 15 articles that could be tied in for a category - I'll need a few weeks (and a reminder:) - cheers SatuSuro 02:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation is given as "nor-sia". How is the "sia" bit meant to be pronounced? Like in fuchsia? or something different? Which syllable is stressed? —Felix the Cassowary 22:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy vio

Most of the "Abbey" section has been plagiarised from https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/new-norcia - it was easy to spot due to the old-fashioned and pompous writing style. It made me immediately suspicious. I have deleted the plagiarised text.

Marchino61 (talk) 02:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

No heading

Gratuitous detail or valid encyclopedia entry?

The colleges were among the worst for historical accusations of child sexual abuse of any Catholic institution in Australia. Of the 53 priests who were at New Norcia between 1950 and 2010, the proportion accused of sexually abusing children was 21.5 per cent. That compares with 7 per cent nationally. The figures were contained in a report released by the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in February 2017.

During the 1960s, 29 per cent of the clergy at New Norcia had allegedly molested or abused children at some point during their career.

Decade/s	% clergy accused	Note
1950s	17.6 per cent
1960s	15.9 per cent
1970s	3.6 per cent
1980s onwards	0 per cent	No allegations

There were 65 claims of abuse made about New Norcia, of which 26 were about a single perpetrator. The Catholic Church paid victims $869,000 in compensation.

In 2016, a trial in the District Court of Western Australia was told about perverted behaviour by monks at St Benedict's college during the 1960s and 1970s. Brother Dominic "Goofy" Benedict allegedly took indecent photographs of boys and measured one student's penis with a tape measure. Bishop Max Davis, who was acquitted by a jury, said Brother Dom would hit boys or push them up against brick walls.

comment

I believe the detail is WP:UNDUE and although there are various obvious counter arguments - the section needs to be separate and reduced

I have removed this for discussion of the issue of how this material is found in an article such as this - if any other editor manages to gather consensus with others to return to the body of the article: -

Is the detail genuinely required in article like this ?

Are there non involved editors who review the above and believes that the detail is appropriate ?

It will be interesting to see the response JarrahTree 12:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done - given that there was no denial of the events as per the sources, I have included a summary with in the article citing those sources verified. Gnangarra 13:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)