Talk:Proposed Aberdeen stadium

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Soapbox edits

These edits are mostly sourced to a questionnaire and are primarily based around soapboxing against the new site. For example the entire paragraph starting "Perhaps even more controversially" is sourced to this article, which is actually shorter than the paragraph in question.

As devoting over 50% of the article to "controversy" (i.e. soapboxing) violates our policy on presenting subjects in a neutral point of view, I'm going to strip this down to only what is directly sourced. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capacity

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the figure put on capacity was somewhere betwean 25,000 and 35,000. --BRFC78 (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

21,000 according to the official site [1]. Swaddon1903 (talk) 14:13, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Location Map is Incorrect

The location map is showing the wrong location. Looks like the old proposal for Loirston Loch rather than the Kingsford site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrothwell (talk • contribs) 12:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have hidden the old co-ordinates until somebody can identify the correct location of the new site. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmorrison230582: @Rrothwell: The incorrect location was still showing, even though the lines were commented out, so I've now removed the lines altogether and replaced them with the correct location. A different style of map is now displaying, but at least it shows the correct location. If anyone needs to see the previous version they can find it in the article history. --188.28.158.163 (talk) 15:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"nearly 5000 complaints"

Hey. An IP address (who unfortunately I therefore cannot ping) added some content suggesting that there have been 5,000 objections to these stadium plans. They cite this document trove on the Aberdeen City Council's website. However, the "nearly 5000" number appears to just be counting the raw number of documents in that trove, of which many are not objections (and instead the plans themselves, comments from e.g. Police Scotland and RSPB), and some of the public comments are actually in support. So unless and until this information is distilled by a third party source willing to tally the actual objections, I don't think it ought to be included. — fox 17:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Proposed Aberdeen stadium — Wug·a·po·des 19:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Aberdeen Stadium → Kingsford Stadium – Kingsford Stadium is its name, as shown for example by its own website www.kingsfordstadium.co.uk and various other local sources. I don't think it has ever been called New Aberdeen Stadium. Was that a name made up by Wikipedia? 188.30.156.58 (talk) 10:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, when this article was created in 2008, there was no confirmation over where it would be, so it would have been much too presumptuous to presume what it would be called. So New Aberdeen Stadium was appropriate as the title for the topic, although personally I'd not have capitalised 'stadium' to make it clearer that wasn't the name itself - I have now replaced a few 'S's with 's's elsewhere in the lead for that reason as you're correct that it was never what it was going to be officially titled. Even now, although there are firm plans for Kingsford, they haven't actually started building it yet as far as I know. And they might end up having it sponsored prior to completion, i.e an Ashburton Grove/Emirates Stadium situation, so it would never be widely known as Kingsford when finished. At this stage I'd be more in favour of a redirect from Kingsford Stadium to New Aberdeen Stadium, possibly with a jump straight to #Kingsford proposal. Crowsus (talk) 10:25, 24 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. I would be happy with a move to "New Aberdeen stadium" with a lower case "s" so as not to imply this is a formal name. Better would be "New Aberdeen football stadium" or "New Aberdeen F.C. stadium" so that it's obvious what kind of stadium it is. --188.30.156.58 (talk) 12:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd think it would be named as Kingsford Stadium in an Evening Express article which the chairman said when finishing in 2023. With the capital S thing, some external links have it capitalised while others don't. Therefore, at this moment I'm 50/50 on this move. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:37, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 16:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Proposed Aberdeen stadium or similar. Giant Snowman 16:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear! Everyone thinks it should be moved to somewhere different! Well my chief argument is with the present title - that capital "s" makes it appear a formal name when it isn't. But I don't think "Proposed Aberdeen stadium" would be appropriate. Although the main stadium isn't expected to be finished until 2023, the first phase, the training facility called Cormack Park, is now finished and opened in October 2019, so I think this counts as more than just "proposed". Crowsus points out that when this article was started the location hadn't been decided, but that's no reason not to move it to "Kingsford Stadium" now that the location is settled. And if as Crowsus suggests the stadium takes on the name of a sponsor when it is completed, then the article can be renamed at that time. For now, whilst the stadium complex is called "Kingsford Stadium", that still seems for me the best name for our article. --188.30.156.58 (talk) 11:49, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The proposal is flawed on at least two counts. Firstly, we don't automatically use the official name. Secondly, the claim that I don't think it has ever been called New Aberdeen Stadium. Was that a name made up by Wikipedia? is strange in the extreme... I get thousands of ghits for the phrase and the first few all seem relevant, recent and reliable, new aberdeen stadium costs could... and all week long uses for new aberdeen stadium just for two examples. No case to answer. Andrewa (talk) 10:26, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please look again more carefully. The term "New Aberdeen Stadium" does not occur in either of the examples you give. The first example has "New Aberdeen stadium" in its headline, the "n" uppercase because it's at the beginning, but the "s" lowercase. In the body of the article it uses "Kingsford stadium" and "new stadium", neither with a capital "s", so not asserting a name. Your second example has "new Aberdeen stadium" in the headline, both the "n" and the "s" lowercase. In the body of the article it uses "Kingsford Stadium", so does imply that this is a name. I don't think your assertion that you get thousands of ghits is valid because as far as I am aware Google does not permit case-sensitive search. --188.30.156.58 (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to New Aberdeen F.C. stadium or Proposed Aberdeen F.C. stadium per suggestions above. I sort of agree with Andrewa that "Kingsford Stadium" is too speculative at the moment, but clearly "New Aberdeen Stadium" isn't a proper noun either, so we just need a useful descriptive title. — Amakuru (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support moving away from the current title, as this is not a stadium affiliated with any of the places called "New Aberdeen". BD2412 T 14:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Proposed Aberdeen stadium as the clearest title; current title sounds like it's about the stadium in a city called New Aberdeen. I'm not sure we need "F.C" unless there is another proposed stadium in Aberdeen. Levivich 04:22, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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