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A fact from Nelson Santana appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 January 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Nelson Santana supposedly predicted the date of his death?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nelson Santana.

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Request for a fluent Portuguese (and French) speaker to check this article

In writing this article, I used Google Translate to help me read the Portuguese language sources as I do not have a high level of Portuguese-language reading comprehension. If somebody can check the article and the sources to make sure Google Translate didn't make a mistake, that would be much appreciated! ❤History Theorist❤ 19:58, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 02:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Nelson Santana supposedly predicted the date of his death? Source: Bento, Brenda (4 August 2019). "Papa Francisco reconhece virtudes heroicas do menino Nelsinho Santana" [Pope Francis recognizes heroic virtues of the boy Nelsinho Santana]. G1 Globo (in Portuguese). Retrieved 10 December 2023.
Cavalhiero, Elisangela (17 Mar 2019). "Conheça a história de Nelsinho Santana, que morreu no dia que escolheu" [Discover the story of Nelsinho Santana, who died on the day he chose]. A12 (in Portuguese). Retrieved 9 December 2023.
- ALT1: ... that Nelson Santana predicted the date of his death? Source: Bento, Brenda (4 August 2019). "Papa Francisco reconhece virtudes heroicas do menino Nelsinho Santana" [Pope Francis recognizes heroic virtues of the boy Nelsinho Santana]. G1 Globo (in Portuguese). Retrieved 10 December 2023.
  Cavalhiero, Elisangela (17 Mar 2019). "Conheça a história de Nelsinho Santana, que morreu no dia que escolheu" [Discover the story of Nelsinho Santana, who died on the day he chose]. A12 (in Portuguese). Retrieved 9 December 2023.
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- Comment: This is my first hook, so if any of the more experienced DYKers have any tips, that would be appreciated!

Created by HistoryTheorist (talk). Self-nominated at 21:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nelson Santana; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General eligibility:
New enough: - Article was first created on 7 December, as it was nominated on 23 December, it needs to be evaluated against the 14 December version, which had 933 characters. The current article has 2612 characters, and therefore does not meet 5X expansion.
Long enough:
Other problems: - Please see WP:PEACOCK regarding the usage of the word heroic in the lead section

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Unfortunately, as this fails newness, as interesting as the subject of this article might be, it cannot be considered for DYK at this time. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 18:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RightCowLeftCoast: As of nomination the article was freshly published, but at this point it's really stale. Also, "heroic virtues" is an official church term. I was debating about whether to add it, but other articles and the list of child saints used "heroic virtues" as a reason for beatification. ❤History Theorist❤ 03:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May I suggest commenting within the the template? This way if others believe that it still meets the newness criteria, they can voice their support (or opposition). That said if Heroic virtues is a term used for determining sainthood, perhaps placing it in quotes, and citing it, as well as linking it (if it has its own article). WP:PEACOCK is more of a MOS thing of WP:GAN, but still it is an applicable critique.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 4:19 pm, Today (UTC−8)

@RightCowLeftCoast: Added comments to template as suggested. Didn't know this existed. Thanks! ❤History Theorist❤ 05:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was moved to mainspace on 23 December, meeting the criteria. Skyshiftertalk 13:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Heroic virtue" can't be changed because it's the actual term. Skyshiftertalk 13:51, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New full review needed; nomination was moved from draftspace to mainspace the day it was nominated, so it was failed in error. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the article meets newness, and the heroic virtue, is a term used by the Catholic Church, it meets criterea.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 02:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]