Talk:Neil Young discography and filmography

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U.S. is 4th????

Why is the U.S. 4th in the "Peak chart positions"? Australia and New Zealand are ahead of the U.S.? The U.S. is the center of the rock and roll universe. Since Neil is Canadian by birth, I suppose Canada could be first. But then again, isn't he an American? Come on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris1emt (talk • contribs) 17:12, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Live Albums

So who's going to tell the Wikipedia trolls who know how to do the formatting on this page that 'Life' is also made up of live recordings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.252.55 (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the albums that are listed under live albums should be moved back into the "Solo albums" chart. If no one is going to do that, then at least someone should move all of the live albums to the live album section.

'Arc' is not a live album per se. It's a collage, musique concrete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.248.112 (talk) 16:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eldorado is not an album. Obviously. Why be so stupid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.248.112 (talk) 19:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eldorado is an album, it was just never released in the United States. Rust Never Sleeps should certainly be included in Studio albums and not Live albums. It was recorded live but was then produced in a studio to remove crowd noise and some overdubs. There are also two true studio tracks on it. He would have never released Rust Never Sleeps and the Live Rust a year apart with the same songs if Rust Never Sleeps was to be considered a Live Album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.196.49.194 (talk) 18:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where an EP was released is not relevant. An EP is an EP, not an album. That's why it's called an EP. I agree with you, though, about 'Rust Never Sleeps'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.192.54.71 (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

However, if you're going to call Eldorado an LP, then don't put (EP) in parenthesis after. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.192.54.71 (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Toast is in the wrong place. It's a studio album, not a live album!

Merge

I have put a suggestion that the Unreleased or uncompleted recording projects include the basic information for these items, rather than having a separate article for them. As they were never released, they really can't be considered as 'albums'. Please see Talk:Untitled Live (Neil Young album) SkierRMH 01:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think Untitled Live is better put with Fillmore East, but Homegrown deserves its own article. -- Beardo 03:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Order

Why have CSNY and S-Y before solo / Crazy Horse etc. ? -- Beardo 02:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery Train

Why is Mystery Train not in the list? 64.94.47.92 12:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is Mystery Train a bootleg? Since they are not official releases, they would not be listed on a discography page. KitHutch 19:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Removing Buffalo Springfield and CSNY

I think the discographies of Buffalo Springfield and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young should be removed from this article, CSNY in particular because it creates an overlap. They already have their own, more complete discography article which includes albums and singles that are missing here. In other cases, I've seen hatnotes and see also sections used on solo artists' discographies to link to their group work. Any thoughts? Eric444 (talk) 04:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the CSNY material should remain on this page. The CSNY material on Neil's page is only the albums and singles for which he was involved with CSN while the CSNY discography is about all of the band's work. KitHutch (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It does seem that, especially given so many people's introduction to Neil Young through the Decade compilation, that those BS and CSNY songs are Neil Young songs, and that his singles wouldn't be fully represented without them on this page.

Solo singles

I added "Let's Impeach The President" because it does seem to have been released as a single. I'm having trouble confirming an official single from Greendale, Heart of Gold and Les Noise, though I imagine there would be, so maybe if someone can pin that down they should be added.

Citizen Zone Strike

Citizen Zone Strike is listed as a single. There is no record of this song anywhere on the web or anywhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.67.146.227 (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Album Categorizations

I think it's fair to re-categorize Neil Young's discography in light of the unusual way he often makes albums, and I certainly see enough disagreement on this Talk page to warrant a change. "Studio Albums" when applied to most bands usually means albums of original studio material, and "Live Albums" usually means albums mostly comprised of live versions of songs that have already been released as studio versions. With Neil Young of course this is not always the case; Rust Never Sleeps for example is listed under Studio Albums because it's all original material, but it's mostly recorded live. Time Fades Away is then curiously listed under Live Albums even though it's the exact same concept, a live album consisting of only new material.

Would it make more sense to have a chronological list of all Neil Young albums that contain mostly new/unreleased songs, whether they are studio or live? That would make things more coherent for anyone reading the page trying to follow his career progression, both in terms of putting important albums of new material in a list where they're more easily understood (like Time Fades Away, currently listed under Live Albums and making it appear as if he did not release original music in 1973) and correctly categorizing albums like Life and Freedom for which it wouldn't be entirely accurate to call them Studio Albums. Even Arc may fit that categorization. Then there can be a separate list for live albums mostly consisting of previously-released material like Live Rust and Weld.

Thoughts? Seems like a significant change so it's probably worth a discussion.

I personally think of Time Fades Away as the equivalent of a studio album. I don't think live albums with just some new material would qualify, as they are what they are (documents of the live act), but when it's an entire new album and just happens to be recorded live, to me that's the spirit of the studio album distinction - a new creative work rather than a document of the stage act. That's just my view. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Times: EP or LP?

An EP refers to a record less than 25 minutes long, which "The Times" is not. It's true that the term EP has become more malleable in recent years to include longer recordings, but those are usually albums with a combination of new material and remixes/alternate takes of old/album material, with the new material amounting to 25 minutes or less. "The Times" is neither. Regardless of what the Young Archives label it as, should it instead be considered a live album? YouCanDoBetter (talk) 20:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Though by the strict definition, Everybody's Rockin is an EP ? -- Beardo (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, but traditionally we round to the nearest minute, and at 24:55 it would be considered a 25-minute album. Plus the other definition is quantity of songs rather than length (something like 7 or more), so it qualifies as LP both ways. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 22:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]