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If recharged from clean energy sources such as solar or wind power, NEVs do not produce greenhouse gas emissions. <-- I hate lines like this. Does my TV produce greenhouse gas emissions if it uses the wrong electricity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:8100:6668:F4EC:E155:7C4E:968 (talk) 07:08, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Could we possibly add brackets with the metric equivalents? Nothing against the Imperial system, but I don't think that only using 'miles' represents a worldwide view, as only one major country in the world uses it.

I wonder why these aren't legal on all non-interstate roads. Bicycles and motorcycles are allowed everywhere cars are (with a few exceptions for bicycles), and they have no crash protection either. And cyclists are usually going under 25 mph anyway. 76.5.129.127 01:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclists are not full road users, in the sense that they're usually required to share a lane. Four-wheeled vehicles are not conducive to lane sharing. In short it's a lot easier for faster traffic to get around a cyclist than it is for it to get around a NEV. 64.81.163.112 (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bicycle driving advocates and cities that install sharrows and "Bicycles may use full lane" signs say otherwise. 161.149.63.200 (talk) 01:41, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What's the limit?

Quoting, "restricted by law to operation on roads with speed limits not exceeding 35-45 MPH."

What is the meaning of this hyphenated limit? I can find lots of documentation for 35 (e.g., http://www.lincolnev.com/driving.html ), but where did the 45 come from? Gil 17:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably different areas have different speed limits. It would be good to find references for that though. --James (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Under Texas Law, it is 45 mph. See http://www.txdmv.gov/vehicles/drivers/golf_carts.htm, "Registered, titled and insured NEVs may be legally driven at a maximum speed of 35 mph on public roads with a posted speed limit of 45 mph or less, unless a city or county ordinance prohibits their operation."65.68.190.251 (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"When tested in accordance with test conditions in S6 and test procedures in S7, the maximum speed attainable in 1.6 km (1 mile) by each low-speed vehicle shall not [exceed?] more than 40 kilometers per hour (25 miles per hour)." [1] - Seems pretty clear cut. MrZaius^talk 02:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion request

Where are the other unsourced restrictions in the article coming from, concerning speed limits? Please source them. Also, is anyone aware of state-specific requirements concerning these vehicles? MrZaius^talk 02:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Below are the California Department of Motor Vehicles sections regarding LSV, NEV, and Golf Carts (LSVs/NEVs may be operated as golf carts with respect to certain road crossings). Leonard G. (talk) 16:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NEV/LSV REFERENCED:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21250.htm

Low-Speed Vehicles: Defined
21250. For the purposes of this article, a low-speed vehicle means a vehicle as defined in Section 385.5. A "low-speed vehicle" is also known as a "neighborhood electric vehicle." Added Sec. 6, Ch. 140, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000. Amended Sec. 3, Ch. 422, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc385_5.htm

LSV DEFINED:

Low Speed Vehicle
385.5. (a) A “low-speed vehicle” is a motor vehicle that meets all of the following requirements: (1) Has four wheels.
(2) Can attain a speed, in one mile, of more than 20 miles per hour and not more than 25 miles per hour, on a paved level surface.
(3) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 3,000 pounds.
(b) (1) For the purposes of this section, a “low-speed vehicle” is not a golf cart, except when operated pursuant to Section 21115 [Golf Carts on Local Highways] or 21115.1.
(2) A “low-speed vehicle” is also known as a “neighborhood electric vehicle.”
Added Sec. 1, Ch. 140, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000. Amended Sec. 2, Ch. 422, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 66, Stats. 2006. Effective July 12, 2006.

NEV/LSV PROHIBITIONS:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21260.htm

Low-Speed Vehicles: Prohibitions
21260. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (1) of subdivision (b), or in an area where a neighborhood electric vehicle transportation plan has been adopted pursuant to Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 1963) or Chapter 8 (commencing with Section 1965) of Division 2.5 of the Streets and Highways Code, the operator of a low-speed vehicle shall not operate the vehicle on any roadway with a speed limit in excess of 35 miles per hour. (b) (1) The operator of a low-speed vehicle may cross a roadway with a speed limit in excess of 35 miles per hour if the crossing begins and ends on a roadway with a speed limit of 35 miles per hour or less and occurs at an intersection of approximately 90 degrees.
(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), the operator of a low-speed vehicle shall not traverse an uncontrolled intersection with any state highway unless that intersection has been approved and authorized by the agency having primary traffic enforcement responsibilities for that crossing by a low-speed vehicle.
Added Sec. 6, Ch. 140, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000. Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 422, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005. Amended Sec. 3, Ch. 442, Stats. 2007. Effective January 1, 2008.

GOLF CART RESTRICTIONS:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21115.htm

Golf Carts on Local Highways
21115. (a) If a local authority finds that a highway under its jurisdiction is located adjacent to, or provides access to, a golf course and between the golf course and the place where golf carts are parked or stored or is within or bounded by a real estate development offering golf facilities and is designed and constructed, so as to safely permit the use of regular vehicular traffic and also the driving of golf carts on the highway, the local authority may, by resolution or ordinance, designate the highway or portion of the highway for combined use and prescribe rules and regulations that shall have the force of law. No highway shall be so designated for a distance of more than one mile from the golf course if the highway is not located within a development or beyond the area of a development, provided, the finding of the local authority in this respect shall be conclusive. Upon the designation becoming effective it shall be lawful to drive golf carts upon the highway in accordance with the prescribed rules and regulations. The rules and regulations may establish crossing zones and speed limits and other operating standards but shall not require that the golf carts conform to any requirements of this code with respect to registration, licensing, or equipment, except that if operated during darkness the golf cart shall be subject to the provisions of Section 24001.5 regarding equipment. The rules and regulations shall not be effective until appropriate signs giving notice thereof are posted along the highway affected.
A "real estate development offering golf facilities", for purposes of this section, means an area of single-family or multiple-family residences, the owners or occupants of which are eligible for membership in, or the use of, one or more golf courses within the development by virtue of their ownership or occupancy of a residential dwelling unit in the development.
(b) For purposes of this section, a "golf cart" includes a low-speed vehicle.
Amended Ch. 389, Stats. 1989. Effective January 1, 1990. Amended Sec. 4, Ch. 140, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.

GOLF CART CROSSING ZONES
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21115_1.htm

Golf Cart Crossing Zones
21115.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 21115, a local authority may, by ordinance or resolution, establish crossing zones, for use by golf carts at any time other than during darkness, on any street, other than a state highway, that has a posted speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less and that is immediately adjacent to a golf course. The crossing zones shall be at an angle of approximately 90 degrees to the direction of the roadway. The ordinance or resolution shall not become effective until submitted to the law enforcement agency having primary jurisdiction over the street, the law enforcement agency finds and determines that the conditions pertaining to that street, with the addition of proper signs, markers, or lighting, or any combination of those, will permit the establishment of a golf cart crossing with reasonable safety, and the signs, markers, or lighting specified by the law enforcement agency are in place. (b) Subdivision (a) does not constitute precedent for the operation of golf carts on any street or highway other than in a crossing zone established pursuant to subdivision (a).
(c) For purposes of this section, a "golf cart" includes a low-speed vehicle.
Added Ch. 192, Stats. 1991. Effective January 1, 1992. Amended Ch. 1243, Stats. 1992. Effective September 30, 1992. Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 140, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.

Army use

The US Army press release says these vehicles will be deployed 'Monday'. The press release itself is dated 12Jan09, which is a Monday. Clarification, please? Karanne (talk) 02:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section

If we are to keep it, we need a better Controversy section of the article. The current section consists of a single sentence with a pretty nebulous reference. That sentence is

"The use of NEV vehicles, and the artificial speed limit placed upon more able electric vehicles, could be considered a deliberate move motivated by large profit-centric corporations that continue to promote the impression that electric vehicles can only be suitable at low speeds, and not in mass production at an unrestricted speed."

which attempts to reference another Wikipedia article on a documentary film: Who Killed the Electric Car?. If the assertion can actually be supported by that film, then the reference ought to be to a specific point in the 92-minute film that will make this claim verifiable and the reference should be fixed according to Wikipedia standards. In the meantime, it appears to be original research with a non-neutral point of view. N2e (talk) 19:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yup - Seems baseless as well as unsourced, given the dramatic difference in the body design of an NEV and of normal American automobiles or old or new all-electric Chevy-branded cars. Struck it for now. MrZaius^talk 22:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's 2018. Those large "profit-centric" corporations are now selling high speed electric vehicles.161.149.63.239 (talk) 08:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Power rating

Since NEV's only need to be able to reach a speed of 45 km/h, the power rating (HP) of the vehicle can be way lower than what it needs to be with highway-capable vehicles (that need to be able to attain 120 km/h).^[1] Since wind resistance becomes ever greater with higher speeds, power ratings of the engines used in vehicles need to be much larger (non-lineair graph).^[2] This also means that much more energy (fuel) is needed to propel the vehicles, and as vehicles are much more powerful and able to attain larger speeds, the possibility of fatal accidents becomes much greater (so the fact that we allow these powerful vehicles to be build results in more deaths).

Include a section in this article about this. KVDP (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

naming error

"The Indian REVA 2 door is commercialized as a NEV in the U.S. and as a quadricycle in Europe."

the car is called REVAi not REVA 2, probably could add a link to the page as well for good measure.

80.5.128.19 (talk) 20:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] REVAi, an NEV requiring only 7 HP as opposed to 100 HP found in common highway-capable vehicles

[2] HP required to attain various speeds, includes table with example speeds and HP

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