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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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After you reviewed "Everything We Need", I will get on with this today! --K. Peake 06:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Infobox and lead
[edit]- Trap-pop is a redirect, so pipe these genres to their respective pages in the infobox
- WP:OVERLINK of Doja Cat under songwriters
- Mention in the first sentence that the song is from her third studio album, Planet Her (2021).
- The writing/production sentence should be the second of the lead instead
- Done, but is this standard for song articles? —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Add a sentence directly before the release one mentioning when the song was confirmed followed by the teaser
- Not done, @K. Peake: not sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting that the first sentence of the paragraph be moved to directly before the official release sentence? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink as rhythmic contemporary radio instead
- "on August 31, 2021, as the third single" → "on August 31, as the third single." using "the album" earlier in this sentence
- Not done, I'm not sure what you mean by this. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- "It was written by" → "The song was written by"
- Not done, I rephrased it in a different way. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Add info about comp and lyrics to the first para at the end
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Start the second para with critical reception of "Need to Know"
- Done, in the same sentence as comp and lyrics. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Move the award to being the sentence before commercial
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Commercially, the song reached the top 10" it reached the top 10 in other countries too, so shouldn't you add the number then write, including...? Make sure everything here is written out in the body, though.
- Rewrote the entire commercial sentence. Sorry for throwing spanners in the works but I think it reads better now —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Ireland and the United States." → "Ireland, and the United States."
- Mention certifications after the chart positions sentence
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mention when the music video was released
- Not done Not relevant as its not done, and most music videos are released at the same time as the single anyway. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "explores the nightlife environment" → "explores the futuristic environment"
- Remove introductions to who the cameos are
- Wikilink as Grimes
Background and release
[edit]- "after being briefly mentioned during a cover story" → "after being mentioned in a cover story" to be less wordy
- "with a futuristic teaser for the song's music video on her social media accounts," → "via a futuristic teaser on her Instagram," with the wikilink
- "and that it was" → "and it was"
- "for you to enjoy."" → "for you to enjoy"." per MOS:QUOTE
- "released on all streaming platforms" → "released to streaming platforms" with the pipe
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink music video and move the release to the music video section, however the 16 hours part is not sourced
- Partly done couldn't find a source for the exact time besides YouTube Data Viewer so I omitted it and wrote "soon after" the midnight single release to give the impression that the two weren't released simultaneously. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The track listing and album art being announced are not sourced
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "In July 2021, she" → "In August 2021, she"
Composition and lyrics
[edit]- Pipe trap to Trap music and pop to Pop music on the audio sample text rather the wikilink that redirects to one
- Wikilink synthesizers
- Wikilink bassline
- ""Need to Know" is a trap-pop" → "Musically, "Need to Know" is a trap-pop" with the pipes
- Remove melodic rap since that is only an award that is sourced
- "a "grinding sex jam"[18] driven by" → "a "grinding sex jam",[18] driven by"
- Start the trap snares quote without vital because that is opinionated
- [19] should only be invoked at the end of the sentence
- "She claims to have been" → "She recalled having been"
- "harsh raps" as well as" → "harsh raps", as well as"
- "the lyrics find Doja Cat fantasizing about her" → "Doja Cat fantasizes about her"
- "in which she describes her" → "in which the rapper describes her"
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "described it as" → "described the song as"
- Partly done, used "track" to avoid the repetition of "the song" from the sentence before. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "noted that she delivers" → "commented that she delivers"
- "and climactic coos."" → "and climactic coos"." per MOS:QUOTE
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mention what publication Imogen Lawlor is from and also cut down the level of direct quoting per WP:QUOTEFARM
- "of the release."" → "of the release"."
- "The song is in the" → "The song is set in the" only if you can find a source for this and if so, move to the first para; remove elsewise
- Done, removed. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Critical reception
[edit]- Retitle to Reception, merging the accolades here
- Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com per MOS:LINK2SECT
- The song is not mentioned on the best of 2021 list but if you can find what the original source was, add the name of the writer too
- Not done: the song is #1 on the Vulture list. —VersaceSpace 🌃 16:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- Cut down the amount of direct quoting from Uproxx after the first sentence; I think it would be better to start a sentence one with "Gracie elaborated that..." putting some into your own words
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Remove pipe on Billboard
- "noted that the record" → "said that the song"
- "and that it "features" → "and it "features"
- "on the microphone."" → "on the microphone"."
- Kyle Denis is not mentioned as the writer for Billboard, also cut down the level of direct quoting here
- Write out the nominations as the second para of this section
Commercial performance
[edit]- "at number 38 on the" → "at number 38 on the US"
- "Following the release of Doja Cat's album Planet Her, which the song was included on," → "Following the release of Planet Her,"
- Partly done, changed to "Following the release of its parent album, Planet Her" —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:46, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:CHARTTRAJ, remove numbers 32 and 20
- "at number 9,[39] peaking at number 8 the" → "reaching number 9 and giving Doja Cat her 4th top 10.[39] It peaked at number eight the" per MOS:NUM
- Partly done, I wrote "fourth" instead of "4th" —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- "then re-peaking again at that same position on" → "then remained at that position on"
- Not done, I'm fairly certain the weeks are separate from each other —VersaceSpace 🌃 13:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- "That month, it also became" → "That month, the song also became"
- Remove pipe on Billboard
- Pipe Rhythmic to Rhythmic (chart)
- Pipe Drake to Drake (musician)
- Pipe Pop Airplay to Mainstream Top 40
- Not done, already redirects there. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- "selling three million certified units in the country." → "amassing 3,000,000 certified units in the US." per MOS:US
- "peaked at number 9 in the" → "peaked at number nine on the" but no source specifies the chart position here
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The seventh top 40 hit part is unsourced
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "It reach its peak position of" → "The song peaked at"
- "and later earned a gold certification from" → "and later earned a gold certification in the country from"
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:52, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Music video
[edit]- Wikilink as Grimes instead on the img text
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- This section should begin with a mention of the video release
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "the music video takes place in" → "The video takes place in"
- [49][50][51][52][53] is too many refs grouped together; move around to resolve this
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "Josephine Pearl Leewhich with cameo appearances" → "Josephine Pearl Leewhich, with cameo appearances" with the wikilink
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink Grimes to himself
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "futuristic cityscape before settling on" → "futuristic cityscape, before settling on" but a lot of this sentence is not mentioned by either source
- Done, new source added and unnecessary sources omitted —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "The scene changes" → "The scene then changes"
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "and aliens where the group" → "and aliens, where the group"
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Pipe shots to Shooter (drink)
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "She begins to flirt with a man whom she shares a dance with before" → "Doja Cat begins to flirt with a man whom she spends time in the club with, before"
- Not done, as much as this avoids repetition, it completely changes the meaning of the sentence. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "the video they return to the dancefloor before" → "the video, they return to the dancefloor, before" but none of this sentence is sourced
- Partly done, sentence removed entirely. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The video having a sudden ending is not mentioned by the source
- Partly done, re-wrote sentence. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "begged the question" → "begged the question," and mention the writer by name instead
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wikilink Twitter
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "from another planet."" → "from another planet"." per MOS:QUOTE
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Pipe green screen to Chroma key
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- "to do prosthetics for" → "to handle prosthetics for"
- Done, and added new content about the number of prosthetics people (from the same source) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The usage of Unreal Engine is sourced, but not for the introduction
- Done, forgot that the opening shot isn't the only animated sequence. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Accolades
[edit]- Move this to being the second para of reception but not a sub-section
- Not done, not sure what you mean by this. Would you like it to be in prose? —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Charts
[edit]- Good
Release history
[edit]- Good
Notes
[edit]- Good
References
[edit]- Copyvio score looks great at 27.5%!!!
- Archive all of these by using the tools
- @Cybertrip: My device can't access the archive website, would you mind handling this? —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've tried doing this yesterday but I think either the system is down or my computer is too slow lol. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 17:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: what do you suggest we do? —VersaceSpace 🌃 17:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace You should try to fix the remaining issues and regarding The Needle Drop, it is even more unreliable if being used for something like actual comp rather than critical commentary and Forbes contributors are written off at WP:FORBES. --K. Peake 07:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- I was talking about the archiving issue, but I removed both things you mentioned. Pinging User:Kyle Peake. —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Try using fix dead links again? --K. Peake 06:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: this reply doesn't make sense. Where did you ask the first time? And how do you suggest I do this? —VersaceSpace 🌃 17:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace: The reply was not worded well by me since it was routed in the false premise that you had definitely used the fix dead links tool; click on view history and select this option from the far right. --K. Peake 06:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: this reply doesn't make sense. Where did you ask the first time? And how do you suggest I do this? —VersaceSpace 🌃 17:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Try using fix dead links again? --K. Peake 06:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- I was talking about the archiving issue, but I removed both things you mentioned. Pinging User:Kyle Peake. —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace You should try to fix the remaining issues and regarding The Needle Drop, it is even more unreliable if being used for something like actual comp rather than critical commentary and Forbes contributors are written off at WP:FORBES. --K. Peake 07:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: what do you suggest we do? —VersaceSpace 🌃 17:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on refs 2, 33, 34, 35, 39, 40, 43 and 53
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cite Uproxx as publisher instead on refs 3, 11, 22 and 32, only wikilinking on the first instance
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 4 and pipe Complex to Complex (magazine) per MOS:LINK2SECT
- Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 5, 15, 26, 51, 52 and 55
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cite Triple J as publisher instead on ref 8
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 9 and pipe Consequence to Consequence (publication)
- Not done, I don't think this ref exists anymore. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Refs 12 and 120 are inconsistent; either cite All Access or All Access Media Group for both and it should be publisher
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on ref 13
- Cite Pitchfork as work/website instead on ref 14 and pipe to Pitchfork (website)
- WP:OVERLINK of NME on ref 18
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Remove or replace ref 21 per WP:RSP
- Not done, not sure what source you're referring to but I assume its Needle Drop. I personally think we can let this slide since it's literally just being used to describe the attribute of a hi-hat sound. I agree with most editors that Fantano's album reviews should not be used as valid, opinionated "reviews" on Wikipedia since they are self-published and unprofessional, but this is not such a case since it's something so specific and rather objective. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Pipe Insider to Insider (website) on ref 24
- WP:OVERLINK of Rolling Stone on ref 25
- Cite Capital London as publisher instead on ref 27
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cite MTV News as publisher instead on ref 28
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Fix MOS:QWQ issues with ref 29 and wikilink HotNewHipHop
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cite iHeartRadio as publisher instead on ref 31
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Remove or replace ref 36 per WP:FORBES
- Not done, again, these chart positions being cited here are objective facts and aren't liable to editorial oversight that is warned about in WP:RSP (where it actually is listed as "generally reliable" so I don't see the problem here).
- Remove or replace ref 41 with an actual Billboard citation
- Not done: Not sure what this means —VersaceSpace 🌃 17:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Kyle Peake: is a tweet from a verified Billboard Twitter account not sufficient? —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OVERLINK of Complex on ref 44
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Remove Official Charts Company from the title of ref 46 and cite that as publisher with the wikilink, removing the Official Charts
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Remove or replace ref 57 per WP:SELFPUB
- Not done, Euphoriazine is not a self-published source. The A-listers on their covers speaks for itself. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not too sure about refs 58 and 59; are you sure it isn't a gossip website?
- Does it matter even if these articles are just being used for the Doja Cat tweets that they have embedded in them (in order to avoid WP:TWEET)? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cite Lakes Media Network as publisher instead on ref 60
- Wikilink Recording Industry Association of Malaysia on ref 79
- Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- By the way, @Kyle Peake: could you re-affirm the ref numbers? Some of these are off because they were reordered. —VersaceSpace 🌃 04:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Here is the article at the time of my review --K. Peake 07:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Final comments and verdict
[edit]- On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this is a bit messy in parts but should be resolved alright! --K. Peake 11:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Regarding the changes that you are confused about, I meant the release sentence should use "the album" instead of its title which has been fixed now and write August 31 instead, so it is less repetitive. Also, the accolades should be a separate para in reception and written out in prose since one small table is not enough to warrant a full section. --K. Peake 09:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace I have further comments for you; why does the Vulture ref not show "Need to Know" when I load it, can you replace the Twitter ref with a citation from Billboard magazine's website and when will you implement the remaining changes? --K. Peake 07:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Kyle Peake: I've been waiting for Cybertrip to implement some reference changes since they expanded the article, but it seems like he's a bit busy, would waiting for him be okay? Also, would you be fine with me removing the points that have been addressed with Done. —VersaceSpace 🌃 14:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace I would be fine with waiting for him, however what do you mean about removing the points? --K. Peake 07:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Never mind, I bolded the points that are incomplete for easy viewing. —VersaceSpace 🌃 15:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Is there anything left that you have yet to implement, or should I do a read through now? --K. Peake 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing left that I can see on this page, Kyle Peake. Please do. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace Is there anything left that you have yet to implement, or should I do a read through now? --K. Peake 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- VersaceSpace I have further comments for you; why does the Vulture ref not show "Need to Know" when I load it, can you replace the Twitter ref with a citation from Billboard magazine's website and when will you implement the remaining changes? --K. Peake 07:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- ✓ Pass now, impressive job on this one! --K. Peake 20:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Cybertrip: we did it! —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @VersaceSpace: Periodd!! Good ass article (even though it says nothing about the reversed hi-hats haha). Thanks for nominating it and sorry I didn’t carry my load well enough. You’re a great editor :) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Cybertrip: we did it! —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)