Talk:Neddie Seagoon

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Neddie Seagoon, affable but gullible idiot, around whom the plot usually revolves. The patriotic Neddie is always willing to lay down his life for the Crown, and this often gets him into difficult situations. Neddie is often unemployed, and some episodes begin with him accepting a new job. Some jokes are made about his enormous girth, especially when contrasted to his lack of height (in Wings Over Dagenham, Grytpype calls him 'little square pudding'). Neddie is the son of Fred Seagoon (The Case of the Fake Neddie Seagoons). Variations of Neddie were sometimes used depending on the setting of the episode, including Caractacus Seagoon (The Histories Of Pliny The Elder), Winston Seagoon (1985), and Neddie Toulouse-Lautrec (Tales Of Montmartre)

Ned or Neddie?

Surely the character's name is Ned Seagoon, while "Neddie" is his frequently used nickname. I find my postulation strengthened by the inaugural episode of The Telegoons, "The Ascent of Mount Everest", where he is known as "Lord Ned Seagoon" and has a diary with this cover: http://i14.tinypic.com/3zgurdu.png

I therefore suggest that the article be changed accordingly and it's content moved to "Ned Seagoon", while keeping "Neddie Seagoon" as a redirect-page only. —Per Hedetun (talk) 09:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to be pedantic, the page should be "Edward Seagoon", as both are shorterned forms of the forname Edward. I can remember roughly equal amounts of references to Seagoon as both Neddie and Ned. Therefore, I think it should be kept in its current form unless there is popular vote otherwise. --AlbertW 22:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's an interesting point, although I have never heard the character being referred to as "Edward". I suggest that his full legal name is "Ned Pug Seagoon", and should thus be called "Ned 'Neddie' Pug Seagoon" in the article, for correctness sake. And yes, I am of course fully aware that Ned Seagoon is a purely fictional character and that this is an entirely trivial matter. However, we are writing an encyclopedia, aren't we? —Per Hedetun (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that it differs from episode to episode. Kind of like the situation with Moriarty and his ever-changing nicknames (Thighs/Knees/Dingleberries/etc.).--Drat (Talk) 05:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is true. "Lord Ned Seagoon", "King Arthur Seagoon", etc. However, what's to say that even "Neddie" is correct then? Which name should be the "reference"? —Per Hedetun (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neddie should be kept as the name. Ned is thus a resulting abbrieviation. I still believe Neddie is the more formal variant, being used as Seagoon's proper title in episodes such as "The Case of the Fake Neddie Seagoons". --AlbertW 20:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a valid point, and you may be right. OTOH, in an original script^{[dead link]} he is called "Ned". Of course, it could also be argued that the "NED"-marking of lines in that script is just an abbreviation. Which may indeed even be likely considering that Wallace Greenslade's lines are marked "WAL". So I guess we could argue back and forth forever. I think that "Ned" should at least be included in the article somehow. How about just calling him "Neddie 'Ned' Seagoon", until we get some kind of canonical reference suggesting that the character is named differently? —Per Hedetun (talk) 21:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd always taken it that he was called Neddie, and Ned was the abbreviated version (Edward has nothing to do with it, and the middle name only came up in one episode where it was "Pugh" not "Pug"). I wouldn't put much weight on cover illustrations, especially it they weren't created by Milligan. For what it's worth there are about twice as many references to "Neddie (or Neddy) Seagoon" than "Ned Seagoon" in the transcripts. "Neddie (Ned) Pugh Seagoon" would be quite adequate but probably superfluous (stating that a character called Neddie is sometimes called Ned (or vice-versa) doesn't really add much!) --AGoon 01:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neddie's full first name is given as Nedward in one episode - I can't remember which one but when I can I'll let you know. Ian Dunster 07:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK - I've been listening to one (sometimes two) programmes a night and I still can't find the b****y episode! - Ian Dunster 21:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found it! - it's Drums Along the Mersey - Neddie's full name of Nedward Seagoon is mentioned twice near the beginning of the episode. Ian Dunster 09:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]