Talk:Nations in Swedish universities/Archive 1

Archive 1

Language question

Is "student nation" a common term for studentnation, or was the translation invented for the sake of this article? / Habj 12:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I still wonder... / Habj 09:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Student society is the proper name. //Fred-Chess 16:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Proper name as in "correct name" I can believe, yes. Proper name as in proper noun, hardly (I think you mean the first version, just wanted to check). / Habj 01:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The Swedish nations are now mentioned in the general student society article, but I reverted the redirect, which was quite unmotivated. I also disagree with Fred that "student nation" is properly translated as "student society". Nations are a subset of student societies. There are many Swedish student societies which are not nations (like political or religious ones, for instance). Uppland 19:16, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Nationer is just a name for the major student societies at a couple of large, old universities but in reality there is little difference between nationer and many other - although not all - student association. Student nations are a kind of student society, and IMHO a merge makes sense to make things clearer. Separating student organisations based on what they are called is uncalled for. // Habj 22:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The nations have a very specific history and common traits not shared with other Swedish student societies, such as having stood in an official relationship to the universities and having had compulsory membership for all students since the 17th century. Uppland 09:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

What specific traits are you referring to, other than the oldest studentkårer in Sweden being nationer? Maybe the article should explain this, and the difference between nationer and other specimens of studentkårer? If nationer, the major organisation - kåren - is divided into nationer originally based on where people were from, if you have sektioner it is divided according to what you are studying. Are there any other differences as of today, between different kinds of studentkårer?

If I understand correctly, student mations as such has medieval, European roots - German or French I do not know. See for instance University of Paris#The four nations. Someone who has a grasp of the whole field of European student organisations should make an overview of it, I think. Unfortunately most of us only know small parts. // Habj 23:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

There is actually a great deal written on the nations (which I have never seen referred to as "specimens of studentkårer" before) and their history, both in the general historical works on the universities and in separate studies, which you could read if you are interested. I am planning to write more on the topic, including its broader European context, but just haven't had the time to do it yet. Uppland 11:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, a couple of us has tried to make some of these things clear at Student society - which you could read if you are interested (see how easily that works both ways). // Habj 01:53, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Student nations are (where) not student societies, not even student societes with compulsory membership. They where an expression of students self determination in the university organisation. Petri Krohn 06:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)