Talk:National Task Force for Safety of Medical Professionals

Validity of this article

Duplicate of your comment at the proposed merge. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 03:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1. The National Task Force (NTF) for safety of medical professionals at workplace deals with all forms of violence against healthcare professionals at work. It is not only for sexual violence. The Supreme Court of India, which has instituted this taskforce, has made this very clear in its order of 20 August 2024. Check here:^[1]

2. The NTF is not investigating the Kolkata rape and murder case. Although that incident triggered the creation of the NTF, the NTF is looking at a broader issue of all forms of workplace violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals all over India. Thus the two articles cannot be merged as they are different issues. Again do refer to the Supreme Court order of point (1).

3. There have been many other serious violence against medical personnel in India. Refer Aruna Ramchandra Shanbaug and Vandana Das cases as two examples. There are many other such cases of violence against healthcare professionals. All these have led to the need for the creation of this NTF.

4. There have been several attempts to bring in legislation in India to deal with all types of workplace violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals but none have succeeded. This NTF report could lead to a comprehensive law against WPV for medical personnel in India. Again do refer to the Supreme Court order of point (1).

HorizonNew (talk) 02:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Alleged rape and murder incident of a trainee doctor in R.G. Kar Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata and related issues" (PDF). Supreme Court of India. 2024-08-20. Retrieved 2024-08-28.

Background section size and original research

@HorizonNew: I am concerned about the first 2 paragraphs in § Background. The first source does not contain the words "task force". The concern is that the idea that these might be related to the task force is yours and not academics'. The size is a problem because most of the article should talk about things more closely related to the subject. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

This is regarding "article should talk about things more closely related to the subject":

Points 6 to 15 of the Supreme Court Order dated 20 August 2024 which led to the creation of this National Task Force (NTF) addresses the wide problem of Workplace Violence (WPV) against healthcare professionals.

Few excerpts:

"Medical Associations have consistently raised issues of the lack of workplace safety in health care institutions. Medical professionals in the performance of their duties have been unfortunate targets of various forms of violence. Hospitals and medical care facilities are open throughout the day and night. Medical professionals - doctors, nurses and paramedic staff - work round the clock. Unrestricted access to every part of healthcare institutions has made healthcare professionals susceptible to violence."

"Several States, such as Maharashtra4 , Kerala5 , Karnataka6 , Telangana7 , West Bengal8 , Andhra Pradesh9 and Tamil Nadu10 have enacted legislation to protect healthcare service professionals from violence and damage to property. All these enactments prohibit any act of violence against medical professionals. The offence is non-bailable and punishable with three years of imprisonment. However, these enactments do not address the institutional and systemic causes that underlie the problem. An enhanced punishment without improving institutional safety standards falls short of addressing the problem effectively."

"The action plan may be categorized under two heads (I) Preventing violence, including genderbased violence against medical professionals; and (II) Providing an enforceable national protocol for dignified and safe working conditions for interns, residents, senior residents, doctors, nurses and all medical professionals." HorizonNew (talk) 04:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That citation is good. Court primary sources are discouraged but sometimes ok in the article as opposed to in notability tests. It and citations like it should be kept, while unrelated citations should be mostly removed.

My intuition about size is like this: The Activities and other sections should generally be longer than the Background section in articles. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 05:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a large amount of general content that wasn't specifically about the background of this particular task force per WP:SYNTH. Again, this really doesn't need its own article, IMO. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Activities section

@ZimZalaBim: I restored the activities section removed in [1]. That removed too much of the article, and the merge proposal was archived without being closed as merge. I agree with you that it's too long. But most/all of the coverage is from reliable sources, and the article needs to represent that. I don't see any routine coverage except "The NTF held its first meeting on 27 August 2024", which can be removed. Which other sentences look too much like news? 174.89.12.36 (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper or place to report on every single meeting and action by an ad hoc task force, even if those actions are reported in local news sources. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 12:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I trimmed a lot of useless words to improve focus. Does the section still looks like news? 174.89.12.36 (talk) 19:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Alleged rape and murder incident of a trainee doctor in R.G. Kar Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata and related issues" (PDF). Supreme Court of India. 2024-08-20. Retrieved 2024-08-28.

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