Talk:National Sporting Club/Archive 1

Archive 1

Was Jewey Smith a British Boxing Board of Control British heavyweight champion?

As can be seen below; according to Boxrec, Bombardier Billy Wells effectively unfied the National Sporting Club (NSC) and British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) British heavyweight titles from 24 April 1911, and this is reflected in the List of British heavyweight boxing champions article.

However, it appears that Jewey Smith beat James William 'Bill' "Iron" Hague for the initial BBBoC British heavyweight title on 21 February 1910, the title then passed from Jewey Smith to James William 'Bill' "Iron" Hague on 5 December 1910. These two bouts fit neatly between the NSC British heavyweight title bouts; Iron Hague beating 'Ex Gunner' James Moir on 19 April 1909, and the Bombardier Billy Wells beating "Iron" Hague on 24 April 1911. So my first question is; doesn't this all mean that Jewey Smith was a BBBoC British heavyweight champion?

My second question is; as the BBBoC wasn't founded until 1929, who was it that actually sanctioned the twenty-four BBBoC British heavyweight title bouts from 1910 to 1926? Even though only one of these bouts took place at the NSC's premises in Covent Garden, was it the NSC?

The only National Sporting Club (NSC) British heavyweight title holders were;

1913-06-30 Bombardier Billy Wells W Packy Mahoney National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom KO 13 20  
1911-04-24 Bombardier Billy Wells W Iron Hague National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom KO 6 20  
1909-04-19 Iron Hague W 'Ex Gunner' James Moir National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom KO 1 20  
1907-02-25 'Ex Gunner' James Moir W James Tiger Smith National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom KO 1 20  
1906-10-29 'Ex Gunner' James Moir W Jack Palmer National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom DQ 9 20  
1905-12-18 Jack Palmer W Geoff Thorne National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom KO 4 20 

The pre-1929 British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) British heavyweight title holders were;

1926-04-30 Phil Scott W Boy McCormick King's Hall, Belle Vue, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom RTD 10 20  
1926-03-18 Phil Scott W Frank Goddard Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 3 20  
1924-05-29 Frank Goddard W Jack Stanley Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 6 15  
1923-11-21 Frank Goddard W Jack Bloomfield Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom DQ 2 20  
1923-05-14 Joe Beckett W Dick Smith Holland Park Rink, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 17 20  
1921-09-12 Joe Beckett W Boy McCormick Royal Opera House, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom TKO 12 20  
1920-05-10 Joe Beckett W Bombardier Billy Wells Olympia, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 3 20  
1920-03-05 Joe Beckett W Dick Smith Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 5 20  
1919-06-17 Joe Beckett W Frank Goddard Olympia, Kensington, London, United Kingdom KO 2 20  
1919-05-26 Frank Goddard W Jack Curphey National Sporting Club, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom RTD 10 20  
1919-02-27 Joe Beckett W Bombardier Billy Wells Holborn Stadium, Holborn, London, United Kingdom KO 5 20  
1916-12-18 Bombardier Billy Wells W Dan Voyles Holborn Stadium, Holborn, London, United Kingdom KO 2 20  
1916-08-26 Bombardier Billy Wells W Dick Smith St James Hall, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom KO 9 20  
1916-03-31 Bombardier Billy Wells W 'P/O' Matthew 'Nutty' Curran Cosmopolitan Gymnasium, Plymouth, Devon, United Kingdom KO 5 20  
1916-02-21 Bombardier Billy Wells W Dick Smith Golder's Green Hippodrome, Golder's Green, London, United Kingdom KO 3 20  
1915-12-27 Bombardier Billy Wells W Bandsman Dick Rice Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom KO 1 20  
1915-05-31 Bombardier Billy Wells W Dick Smith The Ring, Blackfriars Road, Southwark, London, United Kingdom KO 9 20 
1914-04-30 Bombardier Billy Wells W Bandsman Dick Rice Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, Merseyside, United Kingdom PTS 20 20  
1914-03-03 Bombardier Billy Wells W Bandsman Jack Blake London Palladium, West End, London, United Kingdom KO 4 20  
1914-01-14 Bombardier Billy Wells W Gus Gunner Rawles Theatre Royal, Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom TKO 10 20  
1913-09-10 Bombardier Billy Wells W 'Ex Gunner' James Moir Canterbury Music Hall, Lambeth, London, United Kingdom KO 5 20  
1913-08-04 Bombardier Billy Wells W Pat O'Keefe The Ring, Blackfriars Road, Southwark, London, United Kingdom KO 15 20  
1910-12-05 Iron Hague W Jewey Smith Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom PTS 20 20  
1910-02-21 Jewey Smith W Iron Hague Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom PTS 20 20

Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)