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Blanking page, re-doing info

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Hi there! There were several recent edits to this page that were incorrect. Several weeks ago, I started an article titled National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014 (S. 1197; 113th Congress). The title was disambiguated for a reason - there are four bills named "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014" in the current Congress - two in the House and two in the Senate. The Senate worked on one of their versions first, which is why it has a Wikipedia article. The House worked on one of their versions later, during the height of the holidays, and I was too busy to create an article then. The provisions of all the bills are different, the debate is different (the Senate got caught up in debate over how to deal with sexual assault in the military and a few other things), and the procedural history is different.

The House eventually passed H.R. 3304, it got passed by the Senate, and it was signed by the President. That is what this article should be about, since it is the actual law and not just a proposed bill. However, instead, the Senate bill article was incorrectly and impartially modified as though it was the final bill, and not a failed attempt. It was the House bill that was passed and became law, so it should get the official article page "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014". The Senate article is relevant for historical purposes or could be incorporated as background maybe. It was a hot topic for a few weeks, so I had hoped more editors would get involved in adding info to the article.

These are the four bills (their official government pages):

  • H.R. 3304 - this is the NDAA bill that became law and is the official NDAA 2014
  • H.R. 1960 - this is a NDAA bill that passed the House, but never the Senate
  • S. 1197 - this is the NDAA bill that the Senate spent several weeks debate and working on on the floor, but got caught up in debate and was never passed. It is also what the original article was about.
  • S. 1034 - this is a Senate NDAA bill that was referred to Committee, but never made it to the floor.

I'm going to return the Senate info to its home on the disambiguated page for safe keeping, until it can be determined whether to keep that or how to incorporate it into the official NDAA 2014 article. I'm starting a NDAA 2014 article based on the bill that actually became law. I'd love to see the people reading this long message join me! I hope I have explained this well. Thanks! HistoricMN44 (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vote totals

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Hi! Someone added some really cool vote charts to this page that I had to delete... because they were votes about a different bill. The source indiciated that they were votes on H.R. 1960. H.R. 1960 has the exact same name as H.R. 3304, but is a different bill with different content. It'd be great to have the voting infomation corrected, but I'm not sure what could be done since it passed the House in a voice vote (no exact record exists) and by uninimous consent in the Senate (again, no record). Someone could do the Senate vote to agree with the House amemdment if they wanted, I guess. Anyway, I removed the vote totals because they were about the wrong bill. You can see a longer discussion of this in the section above. Thanks! HistoricMN44 (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vote totals again

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Hi Again! I've removed the House vote chart again because it is still incorrect. It gave the information on H.R. 1960, an earlier and DIFFERENT bill by the same name as this one. As you can see here from the official source, the house voted in a voice vote to pass H.R. 3304, which is what this article is about. A voice vote means that there is no record of exactly who voted yes or no for the bill. No chart breaking down who voted for it can be made as a result. Thanks! HistoricMN44 (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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