Talk:Nate Parker/GA1
GA Review
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- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose):
b (MoS):
- Lead needs to be expanded to serve as an adequate summary of the article, per WP:LEAD. You don't need references in the lead as long as the information is included and cited in the main text. Per WP:OVERLINK some common words like "scholarship," "television commercial," "soundtrack" and such should be de-linked. I would suggest re-arranging the "Background" section to be chronological. The prose is a bit off in places:
- I have expanded the Lead a bit. There are two citation options with the lead. Either fully cited or fully uncited. I have gone with the former. I don't think any of those three words you mentioned is so common to the international reader that they should be delinked. Maybe to the American reader they might be, but not to the international reader.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- His mother never married his biological father, but did wed the man who gave Parker his last name. What was the first husband's name and the bio-dad's name?
- Original ref gives no more info. We may have to wait until later in his career when more complete biographical accounts come out.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Although his mother married Whitfield and moved to Maine, Parker remained close to his biological father. Do you mean emotionally close or physically close? Did he move with his mother or stay behind? Suggest combining the sentence about his bio-dad's death with the previous sentence, "...remained close with his biological father until his death when Parker was 11."
- I reedited to clarify the closeness. Thus, I did not merge.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Parker became involved in classroom fights and home power struggles with his stepfather. Do you mean his mother's first husband or second? Best to name him.
- Nate's great-grandmother got sick and his mother moved back... With or without her husband? Did Parker live with her?
- Not really stated in source.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- The Virginian-Pilot source has some information on how Nate got into wrestling. Including that would help fill out the article.
- I would clarify that he was actually tried for rape. Going from "accused" to "acquitted" is skipping a step. I would also move that out of the athletic section and put it in the background section.
- Jon Simmons noticed Parker... Who is Jon Simmons?
- talent agent added.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- ...three sisters... → "three of his sisters" for clarity.
- In Pride, he had a smaller role, but was able to demonstrate his athletic physique in this movie about a swim team. Suggest something like "He had a smaller role in Pride, about an African American swim team, but one that allowed him to display his athletic physique." Although that bit about his physique isn't terribly encyclopedic in tone. Double-check the links for Pride so that they are pointing to "Pride (2007 film)". At least one of them doesn't. Same with "Felon". Point them to "Felon (film)".
- Those bad links were from a third party editor who added a filmography.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Denzel Washington served as director for the The Great Debaters and thus selected Parker for the role. "Denzel Washington directed The Great Debaters and selected Parker for the role of Henry Lowe." That sentence needs to be the first of the paragraph and the paragraph needs to be tightened overall. No need to repeat the name of the film four times.
- Parker plays a character with a bad-boy streak that is the love interest of Jurnee Smollett's character. "Parker's character is the love interest of Jurnee Smollett's character and has a bad-boy streak."
- Remove the word "thus" wherever it appears.
- Parker also performed on the soundtrack as a song performer in The Great Debaters. "Parker also recorded a song (or however many songs) for the film's soundtrack."
- I sort of phrased things vaguely because I do not know if he was a singer, rapper or instrumentalist and do not know how many songs he partook in.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Lead needs to be expanded to serve as an adequate summary of the article, per WP:LEAD. You don't need references in the lead as long as the information is included and cited in the main text. Per WP:OVERLINK some common words like "scholarship," "television commercial," "soundtrack" and such should be de-linked. I would suggest re-arranging the "Background" section to be chronological. The prose is a bit off in places:
- a (prose):
- I did a slight copy edit and deleted the "song performer" bit. Parker's name doesn't appear on the 2007 track listing but the 2008 soundtrack doesn't have artists listed. But as long as there's a source that says so it's OK. Otto4711 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- He aspires to provide scholarships to youth between the ages of 17 and 25. Move this sentence as it splits up the mention of Peace4Kids. The source also specifically mentions 100 Men of Escellence Initiative so why not include that?
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):
c (OR):
- Reference section is correctly formatted and the article contains no original research. IMDB is not a reliable source. Movietome does not appear to be a reliable source because it can be edited by users. I'm a bit confused by reference 2. If I'm reading it correctly, the entire high school wrestling team was recognized as All-American. Does that mean that each individual team member was an All-American because of the team honor? Maybe there's another source out there that clarifies this? What prompted him to switch schools and when did he switch?
- I removed the imdb reference from Great Debators musical performance statement. I don't see the movietome reference. I think for place of birth, imdb is reasonably reliable. The sentence "Nate Parker achieved All American status by placing third" means he was an individual All-American. Usually in sports where ordinal place rankings are determined persons who finish above a certain rank at the national championships (say 6th or 8th) are described as All-American. I know they do this in Track & Field at the NCAA championships. A-A means he placed top 6 in track I believe. I don't know what the rank is for high school wrestling. Switching in high school seemed to be his mother's choice and I imagine switching in college had to do with his scholarship eligibility due to the legal case. Which are you talking about?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Reference section is correctly formatted and the article contains no original research. IMDB is not a reliable source. Movietome does not appear to be a reliable source because it can be edited by users. I'm a bit confused by reference 2. If I'm reading it correctly, the entire high school wrestling team was recognized as All-American. Does that mean that each individual team member was an All-American because of the team honor? Maybe there's another source out there that clarifies this? What prompted him to switch schools and when did he switch?
- a (references):
- The Movietome reference is current reference 7, which is sourcing how many sisters he has and that he read Joyce, Hughes, etc. for his role in TGD. Since you have another reference for the latter it can be removed from there and I guess the other is non-controversial enough that it's not a dealbreaker but if there's another source I would switch to it. I was referring to his changing colleges. It's a very abrupt transition in the article. I'm willing to bet you're right about the reason but is there anything that tells us why he transferred for sure? Otto4711 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- I removed the link to the claim that had another ref. For the sisters, I left it. As far as the transfer goes, it is not something a guy is going to highlight in an interview, so we will have to wait until later in his career when bio sketches may be more detailed. I stumbled upon some other rankings stuff.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- The Movietome reference is current reference 7, which is sourcing how many sisters he has and that he read Joyce, Hughes, etc. for his role in TGD. Since you have another reference for the latter it can be removed from there and I guess the other is non-controversial enough that it's not a dealbreaker but if there's another source I would switch to it. I was referring to his changing colleges. It's a very abrupt transition in the article. I'm willing to bet you're right about the reason but is there anything that tells us why he transferred for sure? Otto4711 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- Article is focused on Parker but there are some gaps. What happened to his mother's husbands?
- I don't know where to find further information.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- Article is focused on Parker but there are some gaps. What happened to his mother's husbands?
- a (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Article presents the subject without bias.
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars etc.:
- Article is stable and free from edit warring.
- No edit wars etc.:
- It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- The two images are appropriately tagged and relevant to the article. The second caption is a bit awkward and wordy. I had to read through it a couple of times before I got it. How about something like Parker at Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, the county's only early voting location, after the close of the last night of early voting on November 3, 2008?
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
Sorry, I realize some of this stuff trends to the nit-picky. I am going to place the article on hold for seven days to allow for improvements. Please let me know if you have any questions or if I can be of further assistance. Otto4711 (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, just one last thing, do we know what his mother's last name was when she gave birth? Otto4711 (talk) 05:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
- I tried searching at Newsbank using the following search term "Nate Parker" actor Carolyn. I got no hits with info.