Talk:Narragansett Pier Railroad

GA Review

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Nominator: Trainsandotherthings (talk · contribs) 20:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I will review this soon. Hog Farm _Talk 19:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

• Is it known why it was no longer profitable by 1910?

  Karr mentions the burning of the casino at Narragansett Pier in 1900, and Heppner cites competition with automobiles and also the decline of Narragansett Pier as a tourist destination. Competition with the Sea View Railroad, which had its station closer to the beach, also contributed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  I have now explicitly stated this in the article with the help of a book on the railroad that arrived recently. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Recommend avoiding the use of contractions such as wasn't

  That's an aspect of the MOS I don't fully agree with, but fine. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Is it known what the sale price to Morgan's company was?

  My book sources don't say. May be able to find this in newspaper archives. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• "The railroad was operated by the Rhode Island Company between 1911 and 1920;" - But wasn't it run by the government for several years in there?

  Yes, and this is explicitly mentioned in the body. I'm not sure it's important enough for a mention in the lead. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• "The railroad's two-stall roundhouse in Peace Dale still stands." - is this really supported by a 49 year old source?

  More modern source substituted. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• The gauge in the infobox is never cited anywhere

  Essentially every railroad in North America uses the same gauge, to the point it's hard to find a citation that explicitly states the gauge. I can try but I can't promise anything. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Turns out Poor's Manual of Railroads states the gauge for every railroad, so I was able to use it as a citation verifying the railroad is standard gauge. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Spot checks:

• "The monopoly allegation was also made in 1898 by proponents of a new steamboat wharf in Narragansett Pier that would connect to Providence, who pointed to the railroad's high rates (at the time 50 cents between Kingston and Narragansett pier) and surcharges on coal shipments" - supported
• "However, Bacon sold it for scrap two months later when a financing plan with the towns along its route fell through." - source only indicates that Bacon planned to scrap the entire railroad property, not that he specifically sold the railcar

  The sentence is meant to refer to the entire railroad, not the railcar. Changed to make this clearer. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• "Narragansett Pier Railroad 11 was also saved at the time of abandonment, and after spending a number of years at the Middletown and New Jersey Railroad it was obtained and restored by the Everett Railroad in Pennsylvania in 2015" - checks out
• "the town of Narragansett agreed in June 1920 to suspend the railroad's taxes for five years" - checks out
• "nfortunately for the state, by the time the Interstate Commerce Commission gave the railroad permission to abandon the segment, work on the bridge had progressed to the point it was cheaper to complete it than to abandon its construction" - checks out

This is in good shape; placing on hold. Hog Farm _Talk 00:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I imagine the ongoing RfA is taking up most of your attention right now - I had a book on the railroad come in the other day and I'm going to be making significant changes to the article. You may want to give the article another look over once I'm done, but that's up to you. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Just ping me when you're done revamping the article and I'll take another look. Hog Farm _Talk 18:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I will expand this more in the future with the goal of taking this to FAC, but for now I think it's in good enough shape for GA. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 21:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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A Narragansett Pier Railroad train in 1936

• ... that owners of the Narragansett Pier Railroad included a family of industrialists, a dentist, a systems analyst, a lumberyard, and the founder of Textron? Source: A Short Haul to the Bay: A History of the Narragansett Pier Railroad by James N. J. Henwood. Dentist supported by [1] Bangor Daily News, December 28, 1979, page 2.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cinema of Guinea-Bissau

Improved to Good Article status by Trainsandotherthings (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 29 past nominations.

Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC).

• Approving on good faith. Article is long enough and promoted to GA four days before DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. Hook is interesting, source is acceptable on good faith. Image meets criteria. QPQ done. Nothing else to comment on from me. Thank you for your nomination Trainsandotherthings! Kimikel (talk) 03:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

• File:Narragansett Pier Railroad 11.jpg is a technically superior image; if we run an image, I strongly suggest we use that instead. On the other hand, while both images are marked CC-BY-SA-4.0 on the https://provlibdigital.org/ site where they came from, I have my doubts as to whether that's legitimate. @Trainsandotherthings and Nikkimaria:. RoySmith (talk) 20:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

  @RoySmith: You're right that the original photo I proposed isn't the best choice. I uploaded the photo you proposed after I made this nomination and forgot to suggest it here, so thanks for catching that. In the interest of this not sitting in pending forever, we can either remove the photos or substitute this photo from 1876 which is quite unlikely to still be under copyright due to its nearly 150 year age. I think we need to start a discussion on Commons regarding the other photos and get some input from editors there. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Narragansett Pier Railroad engine #1 in 1876

• Here's that image in the small size. It's kind of marginal IMHO. RoySmith (talk) 20:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• @Trainsandotherthings: just poking around, a found a few images that I think should qualify for PD (and some other stuff that you may or may not have already found) and might be interesting:
• https://ghostsofwallstreet.com/products/narragansett-pier-railroad-company
• https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/narragansett-pier-railroad-monthly-2117687760
• https://smallstatebighistory.com/narraganset-pier-railroads-operations-in-1964-described-by-the-companys-president/

  If we don't have an image that can be agreed upon, I'm ok with running this without an image. The hook is not in dispute, at least. Not every DYKN can have an image, anyways, and the image isn't significant for the hook here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)