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Version with lyrics

I once taped a Muzak-y version of Nadia's Theme off a Beautiful Music radio station. and it had lyrics that referenced "a young and restless sea". Anyone know the full lyrics and anything about when they might have been written (i.e, before or after the soap opera debuted)?

What do you mean by "a Muzak-y version"? The entire piece is pretty much the very definition of muzak... — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If someone can come up with the name of the person who recorded the version that had lyrics, and/or the person who wrote those lyrics and when and why, we could cite that and put it in the article. Anybody interested can search the net, inquire in record stores or at easy listening radio, and post their answer here, and someone will add it if you're unsure how. Abrazame (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Conniff

No mention is made of the Ray Conniff version. For some reason it can most easily be found by searching for the Spanish title, "La Tema de Nadia" - perhaps it only appeared on albums of his marketed in Latin America? Several fairly comprehensive discographies of Conniff do not mention it, yet endless mentions (and bootlegs) of it can be found instantly via Google. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added it, but If you can find the year he first released a recording of that song, and the album on which it was released, by all means add it here. In a quick search I found a citation for a 1996 album, Personalidad, but I'm supposing that's merely the Spanish title for an album that was released elsewhere, and perhaps that it was also a compilation of earlier recordings, as it was 20 years after the song was popularized with the "Nadia" name. As you're interested, if you can track down the first appearance, it would add to the mention. Abrazame (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How can it be Nadia Comăneci's theme if it was renamed in 1974?

The article said the song became "Nadia's Theme" in 1976. But there are The Young and the Restless related records from 1974 with that title.

7" single (promo and retail editions)
The track has that title on PIP-6812 The Young and the Restless LP

There were further releases in 1976 on the same label.

So if it was called "Nadia's Theme" in 1974, and Nadia Comăneci wasn't competing internationally until 1975, is it possible the title is referring to some other Nadia? —mjb (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Without actually listening to the record, It's hard to tell. Furthermore, just because the copyright on the label says 1974 does not necessarily mean that this specific record was physically manufactured in 1974. With that "P" copyright symbol that is printed on that record instead of the normal copyright symbol, the date usually only refers to when this particular version was recorded and first published, but this specific physical copy and packaging and (re-)labeling could have been done much later. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right; it's a 1974 recording released in 1976. I had thought of that, but initially ruled it out because I thought the catalog and matrix numbers were in sequence with other copyright-1974 releases. Now that I look more closely, I see they're actually surrounded by copyright-1976 releases. I've gone ahead and updated the entries on Discogs to say 1976.

After a bit more Googling, I think the timeline is as follows:

In 1971, De Vorzon & Botkin composed & recorded "Cotton's Dream" for the film Bless the Beasts and the Children. It was composed with lyrics, but the recording was instrumental.
De Vorzon & Botkin recorded a new instrumental arrangement of the song to be used as the theme for The Young and the Restless TV show, which debuted on March 26, 1973.
In 1974, PIP Records released a soundtrack LP for the TV show (PIP-6812), featuring a vocal cover version by The Sounds of Sunshine.
In late July 1976 (I assume, since that's when the games were going on), ABC used a version of the song (most likely the 1971 "Cotton's Dream" recording, since CBS would've owned the soap opera theme), during a Nadia Comăneci montage broadcast as part of that network's Summer Olympics TV coverage.
On 28 August 1976, in response to ABC viewer inquiries about the song, A&M Records released a single containing an extended edit of De Vorzon & Botkin's 1971 version as "Nadia's Theme (The Young and the Restless)" (AM-1856).[1][2][3] It was in the chart 22 weeks; it debuted at #87, was in the top 20 by the end of October, and peaked at #8 in the week ending December 12th.
In October 1976, Barry De Vorzon's album Nadia's Theme (The Young and the Restless) was released on Arista (AL-4104).[4] I don't know if the version on this LP was the same recording as on the A&M single.
Also in late October 1976, PIP Records reissued the soundtrack LP with no changes except an added sticker advertising that it contains "Nadia's Theme".[5][6] (Nov.6 Billboard link refers to this album as being a recommended LP from among "the week's releases"; eBay link shows the stickered LP)
On 23 November 1976, a version (which?) of the song was used in the "Nadia—From Romania with Love" TV special, which aired on CBS and which was co-produced by CBS and Romanian television.[7][8][9] I'm having trouble finding a complete clip online, but the very end is on YouTube (here) and has a disco-ish arrangement worked into the end theme. I think some sources might be confusing this CBS TV special with the ABC Olympics broadcast.

I'm trying to track down videos, but for now this might be as good as it gets. —mjb (talk) 06:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and added this info to the article. —mjb (talk) 22:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mancini arranged it also, I think....no mention of that so far.

Most of the You-Tube films include a credit to Henry Mancini, which makes sense to me, given the use of strings, etc. in the arrangement that is most often heard.

Is that in error, or has it just been omitted from this article?67.134.206.22 (talk) 22:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That information needs to be verified by a reliable source, not something posted by an average person on YouTube, thus that it is why it is currently not included. Did Mancini compose his own separate arrangement/version, or was he and his orchestra just merely playing one of De Vorzon and Botkin's arrangement outright -- including either the 1973 rearranged version for The Young and the Restless, the 1976 version for A&M Records, or the late 1980s rearranged version for Y&R. To me, the 1980s version that they did sounds similar to those ones on YouTube. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Hello fellow Wikipedians! I just learned that there is another "Nadia's Theme", written by Vladimir Cosma for the 1975 television series "Michael Strogoff" (see https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074024/soundtrack?ref_=tt_trv_snd. It is also briefly mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Vladimir Cosma, but it does not have its own Wikipedia article). I think we should somehow make this clear, perhaps by clarifying in a hatnote that "This article is about the piece by Barry de Vorzon and Perry Botkin Jr. originally known as "Cotton's Dream". For the piece by Vladimir Cosma, see the article on Vladimir Cosma" or something like that. What do you think? Nikolaj1905 (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Tennesseean interview with De Vorzon

Here is an interview with Barry De Vorzon about the piece. In short, “Cotton’s Dream” was itself partly based on the theme song to Bless the Beasts and Children, which served as the basis for the various pieces heard in the movie. Image2012 (talk) 14:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origins - confusing section

This passage is confusing.

"The movie's soundtrack music included the eponymous opening title song performed by The Carpenters;"

Why does it suddenly talks about a different song and what does it have to do with the article's composition?

This makes it unclear about which composition is the next part "the OST album later in 1971 featured "Lost" (at 9:20), a song set to the same melody, performed by Renée Armand." - the just mentioned Carpenters main theme or the Cotton's Dream? And "at 9:20" point in the movie?

"The single release, under the new title, was electronically patched to extend the song by almost a minute for commercial airplay." Now, which song? Cotton's Dream, Carpenters main theme or Lost/Renée Armand?

"Although a soundtrack album for the television series was released by P.I.P. Records in 1974, the LP only contained a vocal cover version by easy listening group Sounds of Sunshine,[5] rather than the original recording by De Vorzon and Botkin." It has both an instrumental and a vocal version. The cover says original soundtrack but I don't know if any of it actually played in the soap. SuccessBrandOil (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]