Talk:Nabucco/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GeneralPoxter (talk · contribs) 18:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Will probably start this sometime this weekend.

Sorry about the delay!

Lead/ibox

• was a more important source for Solera than was the play itself. -> "was a more important source for Solera than the play itself."
• Probably not necessary to link "play" in the lead body
• Maybe put "Va, pensiero, sull'ali dorate" / "Fly, thought, on golden wings" in parentheses

  all done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

1. Composition history

• Should probably fix the incomplete short-ref issue for Lessona; I don't have access to Budden, so I'm not sure what the shortref for Lessona should look like.

  I wrote a full citation for Lessona (found here) and use the two together.

• I made some edits on more minor issues

  thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

2. Performance history

• In the US it appeared at the Astor Opera House in New York on 4 April 1848. It should probably be mentioned whether this is the US premiere?

  I believe the authors thought that was clear without adding a "first". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

• Nabucco was presented by the Michigan Opera Theatre...surrounding the Old City of Jerusalem. These appear to be missing inline cites.

  1. Michigan: https://www.mlive.com/entertainment/saginaw/2009/02/michigan_opera_theatre_offers.html / https://www.pr.com/press-release/179711 / review: https://www.downriversundaytimes.com/2009/10/24/%E2%80%98nabucco%E2%80%99-debuted-at-detroit-opera-house/
  2. Israel 2015: https://www.israel-opera.co.il/eng/?CategoryID=723&ArticleID=2012 / blog review: https://klassik-begeistert.de/giuseppe-verdi-nabucco-the-opera-festival-jerusalem-the-israeli-opera-tel-aviv-yafo-20-juni-2019/ / review: https://www.operanews.com/Opera_News_Magazine/2015/7/Reviews/TEL_AVIV__Nabucco.html / better review: https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/mp/9460447.0009.103/--nabucco-in-zion-place-metaphor-and-nationalism-in-an-israeli?rgn=main;view=fulltext
  3. Israel 2019: review: https://www.opera-online.com/de/columns/helmutpitsch/nabucco-in-jerusalem-die-richtige-oper-am-rechten-ort

  What would you suggest to use? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  I would probably suggest the Sunday Times for Detroit and the Israeli Opera website for Jerusalem. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

  I took the 2 and the 2019 one for that fact --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

4. Synopsis

• "O dischiuso è il firmamento" could use an English translation

  I used what my translator gave me. Possibly there's something different in case sung in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

• Added a few links, but overall, the Synopsis reads well

5. Historicity

• ...but the proper name of the deity is Marduk... Unsure of this wording; is "proper" the term used in the original source?

  I can't see the original source. Looking at the two links (Bel and Marduk), it seems that there is a more complex relationship than just two names, but that's probably not relevant to the opera article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  If that's the case, then maybe something like "related to the deity Marduk" might be more appropriate than saying "the proper name of the deity is Marduk"? GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

  taken --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

6. Critical reception

• ...and, today, he has become comparatively obscure. Not sure if this detail is necessary/relevant to the discussion of critical reception.

  following, cut --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

• Nabucco secured Verdi's success. A large part of this paragraph quoted from a contemporary criticism of Nabucco, but it would be nice if contemporary praise were also quoted to reflect the overall positive reception.

  Well, it made him the leading composer at the time, but then more famous works followed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

• Should probably mention "Immenso Jehova" sung in Act 4?

  done --GA

• At Verdi's funeral however, the crowds in the streets spontaneously broke into "Va, pensiero". According to Phillips-Matz 2004 as cited in the Verdi article, there was also a chorus directed by Toscanini that sang Va pensiero. Should probably include that as well.

  good idea --GA

• I tried some reorganization

  thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

References

• Could use page numbers for ref 35, since it's the only citation in the entire section

  sadly, I don't have the two Parker sources #34, #35, used together --GA

• Many citations do not seem to use the cite template, but these should be passable at the GA stage.

  I could transform, but the article was written without them back then, and I wonder why the templates were not reverted citing citevar --

• Sources are reliable and neutral

Judgement

Few yet-to-be-addressed concerns, but overall, the article is ready to be a GA. Article is well-written, verifiable, broad, and neutral. I will put this on hold until March 26. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:39, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Please check again, GeneralPoxter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments and edits. Passing. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 00:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)