Talk:NERVA/GA1

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Reviewer: Kees08 (talk · contribs) 05:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

File:NERVA.jpg Source is broken
- I fixed it

Image review done. Kees08 (Talk) 01:17, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't read the article yet, but found this nice looking image in case it would be useful. If not, no worries. Kees08 (Talk) 01:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Y Added.
Considered using, considered the use of, etc they considered the using atomic bombs as a means of rocket propulsion.
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A young physicist In 1953, Robert W. Bussard, young physicist working
Y Changed "young" to "a" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Construct test facilities feasibility studies and construct of test facilities.
Y Changed to "construction of test facilities" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Page 1 to 1 Haslett 1995, pp. 1–1, 2-1–2-5.
Y Changed ndash to hyphen. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Does the title start with a hyphen? "-Nuclear Rockets: To Mars and Beyond"
Y No. Deleted hyphen. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe change the second 'from' to 'due to' the electronic instrumentation from radiation from the reactor
Y Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Plume or jet? A plume is driven by buoyancy, a jet is driven by momentum. My guess is a jet The reactor was test fired with its plume in the air so that radioactive products could be safely dissipated.
It's a plume. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At least in all the sources, including the primary ones (of which NASA and LANL have published quite a lot if you're interested in the technical details); but you're the aeronautical engineer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't want to read pointless drivel, ignore this (not going to make you change plume to jet). When I was in school I learned it was a plume and always a plume (never was questioned, nor was there a plume v jet discussion). I worked in industry for however long, at multiple companies, and used 'plume' during that time. Then at some point I was editing some article on Wiki, and someone changed my 'plume' to 'jet'. Aha! I have a Master's degree in this, definitely going to show this editor!...oh. Turns out the standard rocket terminology is the wrong terminology. Ever since, my local groups of rocket folk I talk to switch to jet after we have the same brief discussion about plume v jet, but overall the rest of the world uses plume. So it would be pointy of me to make you switch it, and I will have to just convince the world to switch to jet first, then we can switch it on Wiki. There, told you it was a pointless story :). Kees08 (Talk) 15:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a plan. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What date formatting are we going with on this article? On 2 October 1957,
The article was in dmy when I first started working on it, so I retained its existing format, per MOS:DATERET. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine; it maybe should be MDY since it is a US centric article, but I don't really care. Kees08 (Talk)
Me neither. I have a script to convert articles if need be. It appears that this article went without any dates for a long time. Then some Aussie seems to have added the links from TROVE, which are auto-formatted to dmy by the National Library. This then became the original date format of the article. NASA uses dmy so it matched the secondary sources, which always makes it easier to write. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency on DC vs D.C.
Y Used "DC", which matches the other acronyms. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should Kelvin have a convert template? Not sure non-scientific minded folks understand the scale. below 20 K.
Y Naturally. It must have been missed on the first pass due to the link. Added a convert, with a link. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could rephrase The first was that a means had to be found of controlling reactor temperature and power output. to The first was controlling reactor temperature and power output.
Don't see that working. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Saving weight by being the lowest mass, or saving weight because it would require the lowest system mass? ranium-233 held the prospect of saving weight, but was not readily available.
It weighs 1% less than U-235. Produces 10% less power per kg, but I guess we could just crank up up the control drums. Sounds like a loser of an idea really. But when you're building a reactor the big choices are fuel, moderator and coolant. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to word it to say it was the lightest fuel and not necessarily the lightest engine? Sort of the same with liquid rockets, where sometimes LH2 can make the lightest system, but sometimes can make it the heaviest. Kees08 (Talk) 15:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Y Added "in fuel". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Once, or often? Not sure it warrants inclusion unless it caused a big delay. Open to changing my mind. The plastic coating on the control cables was chewed by burrowing rodents and had to be replaced.
Y Oh very well. Removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We lead with metric units in some areas and imperial in others, probably best to be consistent It was exceptional only for its size: 250 feet (76 m) long, 140 feet (43 m) and 63 feet (19 m) high.
Should be metric everywhere. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Add (NACA) at the end absorbed the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics.
Y Changed to NACA. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
is Solar System normally capitalized? flights further into the Solar System
NASA doesn't, but apparently we do. (MOS:CELESTIALBODIES) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Change to neither of which had the administration committed. to to neither of which the administration had committed.
Correct as it is. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Same solar system question perhaps to the very end of the Solar system
See above. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:02, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be could instead of would? Would seems like they designed it to fail exactly three times.. meaning that the engine would fail to perform as designed only three times in every thousand starts.
Y Changed to "no more than" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Metric first 393 feet (120 m)
Y Damn. I though I had got them all. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Minus 'the' boosting the it to 480
Y Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The tense of cooling sounds wrong here, do I just have bad ears? and the reactor cooling before impacting
Y Changed tense. Hawkeye7 (discuss)
Currently using both kilometers and kilometres water at several thousand kilometers
Y Sprinkled the article with US spelling tags. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be phrased better, it sounds incomplete: In particular, whether it would go critical or explode when flooded with sea water, a neutron moderator.
Sounds alright to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I read a tooltip on your userpage that said U.S. is preferred, I believe so Kennedy resumed US testing
It's just that all the other acronyms (NERVA, NASA, LASL, etc don't use the full stops. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like I am wrong (and the tooltip could either be reworded or I could use reading comprehension skills..not that you are in charge of said tooltip). Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#US, for anyone watching. Kees08 (Talk) 15:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The internet has made me dislike the football field analogy, but it can stay if you wish It was larger than a football field,
Y Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Crewed? included early manned planetary interplanetary
Y Changed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds a bit odd, maybe "reactivity measurements were taken"? Maybe not. and measurements taken of reactivity.
Y Meh. Changed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kelvin, converted to C to its design maximum of 2,000 C
Y Added conversion template. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I test engines, and am unfamiliar with the scram term..is it an abort/terminate? A scram was ordered, but a coolant line became clogged.
Y It's a technical term for an emergency shutdown of a reactor. Liked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Probably Test Cell, though I may campaign for a Rest Cell at work now. therefore the last test to use Rest Cell A.
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lot o' afters After shutdown on 7 December 1966 after 75 seconds caused by a faulty electrical component,
Y Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hyphen in follow-on? Not sure cancelled planned follow on tests
Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Vacuum chamber, or a diffuser? The second seems more likely, but I do not have the source. See page 24 for an example of a diffuser in a setup like this. downward into a reduced-pressure compartment to (reading the rest of the page, I see it is a diffuser; is there an appropriate wikilink for that?)
Err the sources don't mention the word "diffuser" anywhere, they just talk of simulating the vacuum of space. Is this what you are talking about? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe it is the same thing, I looked for a Wikipedia articles on the topic and did not find one. Here is a highly technical literature example of one, it should roughly match what your sources say about the vacuum source in these tests. If it is a diffuser in this article, you can just remove the wiklink to the vacuum chamber in this article. If I am misreading the situation, let me know. Kees08 (Talk) 06:20, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Y Already removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the target article is 'low Earth orbit' from Low Earth Orbit (LEO)
Y De-capped. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cue Imperial March up to 340,000 lb (150,000 kg)
Y Added parameter. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe something like 'NERVA had plenty of planned missions' 'scheduled missions' 'proposed missions' or similar (based on whichever is true) NERVA had plenty of missions.
Y "proposed". Although some got to the planning stage, none were scheduled. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure where we ended up on solar system but I see a couple instances of 'Solar system' and one instance of 'Solar System' (I know you mentioned the correct one above; just noting the inconsistency)
Y De-capped. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In 1969? Richard Nixon replaced Johnson as president 1969,
On 20 January 1969 to be exact. See First inauguration of Richard Nixon. Added the full date. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ageing or Aging?
Y The spell checker says ageing, but American and British English spelling differences says "aging" is the American spelling, so changed to that. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mind changing this to a footnote? (With the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974, Congress would strip him of this ability.)
Y Moved to a footnote. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Remove 'that'? from rockets that more powerful than chemical rockets
Y Inserted "are" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Combine these sentences: The SNTP program was terminated in January 1994.[108] About $200 million was spent.[109]

Y Combined. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed down to Space Nuclear Propulsion Office Kees08 (Talk) 05:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Side note, Scott Manley talks about NERVA briefly in his newest video (about the Russian explosion). Kees08 (Talk) 16:32, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Presume that the endash should be a hyphen for 1-1? Haslett 1995, pp. 1–1, 2-1–2-5.
Y Looks like I missed that one. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:53, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is AAP a press agency? It is in print in this citation: "Moon Rocket Flight 'In Decade'". The Canberra Times. 35, (9, 934). Australian Capital Territory, Australia. 9 June 1961. p. 11. Retrieved 12 August 2017 – via National Library of Australia.
Y Australian Associated Press? Yes, it is. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like this is from a Kennedy speech; our citation could be made clearer to indicate that: "Excerpt from the 'Special Message to the Congress on Urgent National Needs'". NASA. 24 May 2004. Retrieved 10 July 2019.
Yes, it's his famous speech where he called for a man on the Moon by the end of the decade. That he went on to call for nuclear-powered rockets tends to be forgotten. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think they might go by Los Alamos Monitor "Los Alamos remembers visit by JFK". LA Monitor. 22 November 2013. Retrieved 15 July 2019.
Y Changed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Same AAP question: "$24,000m for trip to Mars". The Canberra Times. 43, (12, 381). Australian Capital Territory, Australia. 4 August 1969. p. 4. Retrieved 12 August 2017 – via National Library of Australia.
Y Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Think it should be Universe Today as the publisher and phys.org as a via parameter: Cain, Fraser (1 July 2019). "Earth to Mars in 100 days: The Power of Nuclear Rockets". phys.org. Retrieved 10 July 2019.
Y Added publisher Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Endash for the page range Sloop, John L. (1978). Liquid Hydrogen as a Propulsion Fuel, 1945-1959
Y Inserted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:59, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I think I am almost incapable of doing lightweight GA reviews at this point. That's the end of the review though; I think I owe you a reply above, but I will not be generating any new bullet points to address. Kees08 (Talk) 06:09, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Pinging in case you did not see the last comments. Kees08 (Talk) 06:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Hawkeye7: Added a couple replies above, could you address diffuser vs vacuum chamber and the fuel weight point I brought up? Kees08 (Talk) 15:12, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added "of fuel" after "weight", and the link to vacuum chamber has already been removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]