Talk:NBMR-3

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Consortium

The Times has a story about the forming of a seven-company consortium <ref>"Joint Plan For Nato Fighter." Times [London, England] 20 Nov. 1961: 5. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 28 Oct. 2014.</ref>. At meeting at Kingston on 17 November 1961, Hawker Siddeley Group (UK), Republic Aviation Corporation (USA), Focke-Wulf (Germany), Fokker (Netherlands), Breguet (France) and SABCA and Avions Fairey of Belgium agreed to work together to develop a design for NATO. Several designs will be considered by the consortium and Fokker and Republic have already done work on an design called the "Alliance" and Hawker and Focke Wulf are working on an aircraft based on the P.1127. It also reports that BAC and Dassault are working together on the "Mirage IIIV". These consortium dont fit in the article at the moment so I will leave it here for a moment. MilborneOne (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry just to add a further article <ref>"Group's Plans For Nato Fighter." Times [London, England] 21 Nov. 1961: 6. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 28 Oct. 2014.</ref> says that it would be a joint effort on R&D and each would produce the aircraft ordered by the related countries. It additional mentions that Short Bros and Harland and Lockheed are also working together. MilborneOne (talk) 17:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More groupings at <ref>"Keen Fight For Nato Order." Times [London, England] 16 Dec. 1961: 6. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 28 Oct. 2014.</ref> for the NBMR4 transport requirement, Hawker Siddeley/DHC/Bell/Avions Fairey/Nord Aviation and BAC(EE)/Finmeccanica/Dornier with a version of the Bristol 208. It mentions the Short/Lockheed submission for the VTOL fighter would be based on the F-104! MilborneOne (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All good stuff, I've seen a model of the STOL F-104, a strange beast. Feel free to add, hopefully nothing will contradict what is there already and even if it does that#s not a problem. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

VAK?

Just a minor mystery, VAK apparently stood for Vertikalstartendes Aufklärungs- und Kampfflugzeug (VTOL Reconnaissance and Strike Aircraft) but why did a multi-national NATO committee give a German term for these four aircraft from Germany, Italy and the UK?!! 07:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)