Talk:N82 road

Requested move 18 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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N82 road → N82 road (Ireland) – This is the only Nxx road in Ireland that does not have the disambiguator. It was at the new title until 2022 when it was moved. Rschen7754 22:24, 18 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Consistency in titling is one of our criteria, and if it's the lone example in the category, then it should be moved to be consistent with its sibling articles. Imzadi 1979 → 07:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose On the contrary, a lot of these roads seem to have been moved without understanding what a disambiguation is. It's supposed to be used when there are multiple articles with the same name, not as some kind of note to append to the title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Inconsistent names for zero reason make navigation and maintenance of articles really hard. --Rschen7754 04:19, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

    Then move the others back. Doesn't mean the problem should be continued, Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

    • The reason that the others can't be moved back is because there are other N roads out there in other countries. --Rschen7754 00:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

      Then move the ones that don't require disambiguation. Only the ones that need disambiguation should be disambiguated. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:04, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

      • But then we get back to consistency. I don't like the parentheses any more than you do, but this is the least worst option. --Rschen7754 00:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

        See WP:CONSISTENT. "There are two main areas, however, where Wikipedians have consistently shown that consistency does not control: Disambiguation. For instance, just because Georgia (country) exists, there is no reason to have articles titled, for instance, Azerbaijan (country), Armenia (country), etc. This applies to natural disambiguation, as well; the existence of Querétaro City and Chihuahua City does not mean we have to retitle Guadalajara to Guadalajara City." ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm Ireland road articles should have a "naming convention", just like we have in Zambia & South Africa.

  I do not believe that only "some" articles should have the "(Ireland)" disambiguation at the end. It's either "all of them" or "none of them".

  For the sake of "consistency", every "national road in South Africa" has got "(South Africa)" at the end of the article title. Every "metropolitan route in Johannesburg" has got "(Johannesburg)" at the end of the article title. It should be the same principle everywhere.

  So, I Support the move request for this reason. For route designations, consistency is a must. GeographicAccountant (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - for the reason stated in my reply above (for route designations, consistency is a must).

GeographicAccountant (talk) 12:38, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Well, it seems as though there is no already-established "naming convention" for "Ireland Road Articles", which is why some editors may view this request as unnecessary. But I still feel that "consistency is a must" for "route designations" that are all found in one nation. I'm Specifically referring to "route designations" & not any other topic. The same way the "Roads in Zambia" & "Roads in South Africa" are arranged is the way these Ireland Roads should be arranged. GeographicAccountant (talk) 19:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Neither of those categories is arranged in the way proposed here. Andrewa (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting for further discussion; strength of arguments is strongly on the side of "oppose" voters, but given the level of support further discussion may identify suitable policy-based arguments in support of moving BilledMammal (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:ATDAB we don't disambiguate just because others need to be disambiguated. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. To accept this proposal we would need to also disambiguate Paris to Paris (city) to match Quebec (city), and Tiger to Tiger (animal) to match Fossa (animal). Not many undisambiguated names would remain, possibly even none. Andrewa (talk) 20:51, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.