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Concern about Auburn Avenue paragraph

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Most recently N.T. Wright has been involved in the controversy over Auburn Avenue Theology which is also known as the "Federal Vision", which has some overlap with the 'New Perspective on Paul.'

What exactly does "involved in" mean? I am not aware of him being directly involved in the controversy in the States; only that others have read his work and it has influenced them. The paragraph above implies a direct involvement. David L Rattigan 07:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

he has been a speaker at the conference where Federal Vision was first described. So that is fairly direct. The theological connection has not yet been made clear on either of these pages, however. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 17:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
By that definition, then Richard Gaffin has been "involved in" the Federal Vision since he was also a speaker at the same conference. Yet, Gaffin is an outspoke critic of FV. Wright is not "involved in" the Federal Vision controversy. That is an American controversy largely contained with the Presbyterian Church of America. Being a Continental Anglican, I don't seen how one can say that Wright is "involved in" it. I think what the original writer meant was that the Federal Vision writers draw from Wright's theology, but the opposite does not appear to be the case. But if being "involved in" simply means the FV speakers, bloggers and writers are drawing from a theology to make their argument, then we have to include John Calvin as being "involved in" as well, since he's just as important to those writers as anyone living. I deleted the reference, since it's not true. Unless someone can produce evidence that Wright identifies in some way with that group, I don't think mention should be made. Scunning 18:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Scunning, good response, perspective and points. I struck out the word 'yet' in my comment above. I agree completely- citable evidence ought to be produced, or it should not be mentioned. Thanks. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 20:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a summary of his "Christian Origins" series thus far

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While his lectures and journal articles are easily available on www.ntwrightpage.com, I wonder if a summary section would be in order for the contents of his massive "Christian Origins and the Question of God" series would be in order here. Though Andrew Perriman has done a fine job over at OpenSourceTheology.net in doing this, one has to wonder if it wouldn't be just wonderful to see a summary of his work also on his Wiki.

Would anyone else be interested in compiling this. FWIW, I have read all three books and several other of his books, and would be happy to punch out the first cut of the section. (Author -- Cascadian1)

Wright's opinion of his WP page

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In line with WP:SELF, I've removed this edit

"On November 18, 2008, at Longfellow Hall, a lecture hall of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, NT Wright responded to the mention of his Wikipedia entry by Samir Paul. His response stated that approximately one-third of the entry was factually incorrect."

... but if anyone can tell us what Wright thinks is wrong with this page, we can address it. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Styles

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Although Dr Wright was Canon Theologian at Westminster Abbey between 2000 and 2003, he was not styled The Revd. Canon as he already held the higher title of The Very Revd. having previously been Dean of Lichfield.

I disagree with this statement. I understand that the person holding an office uses the title associated with that office, except in the case of a bishop. For example, Lord Hope was Most Reverend but is now Right Reverend. Similarly the Dean of St Paul's was previously Bishop of Sodor and Man, therefore he is the Right Reverend the Dean of St Paul's (not Very Reverend). The only way, as I see it, that someone retains a title higher that their office or ordination is is they have been granted an emeritus title when they retire, eg. Archbishop Tutu.

Dodgerjammy (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are wrong. When R L P Milburn was Master of the Temple Church in London, having previously been Dean of Worcester, he was always styled "The Very Rev R L P Milburn". Since the Temple is the precinct of the barristers and judges of two of the Inns of Court I think they would have followed correct usage. In fact, it is usual for styles to survive the office in England; another example would be Circuit Judges who are "His Honour Judge Bloggs" when in office and "His Honour John Bloggs" when retired - thus, although the title of Judge ends with the office, the style of "His Honour" does not. Cheers. Chelseaboy (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It depends, as I understand it, Deans (and formerly provosts) are sometimes granted the title of dean emeritus, in which case they continue to use the style Very Revd, toehrwise they revert to Revd (or whatever other style is appropriate). David Underdown (talk) 10:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Portals

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I placed portals in article and gave it a rating. It could be B-Class or better if some more effort would be applied. Every section should have a proper reference. Ideally it should be every paragraph. Issue above seem resolved and article seems stable at this point. Enfermero (talk) 22:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed the following ELs because they seem to violate various aspects of WP:EL. Some might be useful if worked in as inline references (some certainly not), though, so I am pasting them here (as they were):

Novaseminary (talk) 14:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

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The two ‘For Everyone’ series: 1. Short commentaries on the New Testament books, 2004-2008 [the Catholic epistles & the Apocalypse not yet written?]

Matthew for Everyone, Part 1: Chapters 1-15. 2nd ed. Vol. 1. SPCK , 2004. Matthew for Everyone, Part 2: Chapters 16-28. 2nd ed. Vol. 2. SPCK, 2004. Mark for Everyone. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Luke for Everyone. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. John for Everyone, Part 1: Chapters 1-10. Paperback ed. SPCK, 2004. John for Everyone, Part 2: Chapters 11-21. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Acts for Everyone, Part 1: Chapters 1-12. SPCK, 2008 Acts for Everyone, Part 2: Chapters 13-28. SPCK, 2008 Paul for Everyone: Romans, Part 1: Chapters 1-8. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone: Romans, Part 2: Chapters 9-16. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone: 1 Corinthians. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone: 2 Corinthians. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone: Galatians and Thessalonians. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone, the Prison Letters: Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Philemon. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Paul for Everyone: the Pastoral Letters. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004. Hebrews for Everyone. 2nd ed. SPCK, 2004.

Four small booklets: ‘A Moment of Prayer’ Lion Giftlines, 1997 ‘A Moment of Peace’ Lion Giftlines, 1997 

‘A Moment of Quiet’

Lion Giftlines, 1997 ‘A Moment of Celebration’ Lion Giftlines, 1997 

‘Quiet Moments’ (selected highlights from A Moment of Quiet etc)

Lion, 2003

21 books  2. Short Study Guides on the New Testament books, 2009-

‘Matthew: 25 Studies for Individuals and Groups N. T. Wright, Dale Larsen, and Sandy Larsen 2009 ‘Mark: 20 Studies for Individuals and Groups ‘ Lin Johnson & N T Wright 2009 ‘John: 26 Studies for Individuals or Groups N. T. Wright and Kristie Berglund 2010 ‘Acts: Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N. T. Wright, Dale Larsen, and Sandy Larsen 2010 ‘1 & 2 Timothy and Titus: 12 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N. T. Wright and Phyllis J. Le Peau 2009 ‘Romans: 18 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N T Wright and Patty Pell 2009 ‘1 & 2 Thessalonians: 8 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ 

                N T Wright and Patty Pell 				2009

1 Corinthians: 13 Studies for Individuals and Groups N T Wright, S Lansen, and S Lansen 2009 ‘2 Corinthians Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N T Wright and Patty Pell 2010 ‘Ephesians: 11 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N. T. Wright and Lin Johnson 2009 ‘Philippians: 8 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N. T. Wright, Dale Larsen, and Sandy Larsen 2010 ‘Colossians & Philemon: 8 Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N. T. Wright, Dale Larsen, and Sandy Larsen 2010 ‘1 & 2 Thessalonians: Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N T Wright and P Pell 2009 ‘1 & 2 Timothy and Titus: Studies for Individuals and Groups’ N T Wright and Phyllis J. Le Peau 2009 

‘Hebrews:  Studies for Individuals and Groups’

N T Wright and Patty Pell 2010



‘Twelve Months of Sundays: Year C: Reflections on Bible Readings’ SPCK, 2000 ‘Twelve Months of Sundays: Year A: Reflections on Bible Readings ‘ SPCK, 2001 ‘Twelve Months of Sundays: Year B: Reflections on Bible Readings ‘ SPCK, 2002


18 books  Tom Wright has written over getting on for 100 books (44 listed on first 3 pages).

The major series ‘Christian Origins and the Question of God’ Already published: Volume 1- “The New Testament and the People of God” [1992] Volume 2 - “Jesus and the Victory of God” [650 + 91 pp; 1996] Volume 3 - “The Resurrection of the Son of God” [745 + 86 pp; 2003] Further promised volumes: Volume 4 - ‘Paul and the Faithfulness of God’ a full-dress study of Paul, currently in progress. Volume 5 - ‘The Gospels and the Story of God’ the four gospels as theologians in their own right. Volume 6 - ‘The Early Christians and the Purpose of God’ the practical, hermeneutical and theological implications of all of the above.








5 books Other publications, excluding the above three series:

‘Small Faith, Great God’ Kingsway (also in German Translation) 1978 

‘The Work of John Frith’ Courtenay Library of Reformation Classics No 7.

[The first ever complete edition of the works of John Frith, the early English reformer (d 1533)] Sutton Courtenay Press 1983 

‘The Epistles of Paul to the Colossians and to Philemon:

Introduction & Commentary’ IVP, 1986 ‘The Glory of Christ in the New Testament: Studies in Christology in Memory of George Bradford Caird’ L. D. Hurst and N. T. Wright OUP, 1987 ‘The Interpretation of the New Testament, 1861-1986 Stephen Neill, Tom Wright, and N.T. Wright OUP, 1988 ‘The Climax of the Covenant’: Christ and the Law in Pauline Theology T & T Clark, 1991 ‘Who was Jesus?’ 1992 ‘The Contemporary Quest for Jesus (Facets)’ 1992 ‘New Tasks for the Renewed Church’ Hodder, 1992 ‘The Crown and the Fire: Meditations on the Cross and the Life of the Spirit’ SPCK, 1992 

‘The Climax of the Covenant: Christ and the Law in Pauline Theology’

1993 ‘What is Narrative Criticism?: New Approach to the Bible’ N.T. Wright and Mark Allan Powell 1993 ‘Bringing the Church to the World’ 1993 ‘Following Jesus: Biblical Reflections on Discipleship’ SPCK, 1994 ‘The Original Jesus: The Life and Vision of a Revolutionary’ Lion, 1996 ‘The Lord and his prayer’ SPCK, 1996 

‘Judas and the Gospel of Jesus:
Have We Missed the Truth about Christianity?’

1996 ‘What Saint Paul Really Said: Was Paul of Tarsus the Real Founder of Christianity?’ Lion, 1997. ‘For All God's Worth: True Worship and the Calling of the Church’ SPCK, 1997 ‘Reflecting the Glory’ BRF, 1997 ‘The Way of the Lord; Christian Pilgrimage Today 

in the Holy Land and beyond’

SPCK, 1999 ‘The Myth of the Millennium; Hope for a Postmodern World’ SPCK, 1999 ‘New Heavens, New Earth; the Biblical Picture of Christian Hope’ [Grove Biblical Series] Grove Books, 1999 ‘Jesus, the Final Days: What Really Happened’ Craig A. Evans, N. T. Wright, and Troy A. Miller 1999 ‘The Meaning of Jesus’ Two Visions’ N T Wright and Marcus J. Borg. SPCK, 1999 ‘The Challenge of Jesus: Rediscovering Who Jesus Was and Is’ [edItor] 

Inter Varsity Press, 1999 / SPCK, 2000
‘The Letter to the Romans: Introduction, Commentary & Reflections

NIB, 2002 ‘Romans and the People of God: Essays in Honor of Gordon D. Fee on the Occasion of his 65th Birthday’ N T Wright and Sven K. Soderlund Eerdmans, 1999 

‘Holy Communion for Amateurs’		reprinted as
‘The Meal Jesus Gave Us; understanding Holy Communion’

N T Wright and E M B Green Hodder, 2002 ‘The Contemporary Quest for Jesus’ 

    edited extracts from Jesus and the Victory of God chapters 1–3

Fortress, 2002 Romans in the New Interpreter’s Bible - volume X, pages 393–770. Abingdon, 2002 

‘The Resurrection of the Son of God’

2003 ‘Romans and the People of God’ Sven K. Soderlund and N.T. Wright 2003 ‘The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?’ F F Bruce and N T Wright 2003 ‘Questioning Q’ 

N.T. Wright, Nick Perrin, and Mark Goodacre

2004 ‘For all the Saints? Remembering the Christian Departed’ SPCK, 2004 ‘Scripture and the Authority of God’ 

 	 USA title: The Last Word: Beyond the Bible Wars to

a New Understanding of the Authority of Scripture SPCK, 2005 ‘The Resurrection of Jesus: John Dominic Crossan and N.T. Wright in Dialogue’ N T Wright and John D. Crossan [editor, Robert B. Stewart] SPCK 2006 ‘Paul: Fresh Perspectives’ UAS title: ‘Paul: In Fresh Perspective N T Wright and Simon Vance SPCK, 2005; & 2007 “Who was Jesus?” 2005 ‘The Scriptures, the Cross, and the Power of God’ SPCK, 2005 

‘The Last Word: Beyond the Bible Wars

to a New Understanding of the Authority of Scripture’ Harper San Francisco, 2005. ‘Decoding Da Vinci: The Challenge of Historical Christianity and Fantasy ‘ (Grove Biblical Series) Grove Books, 2006 ‘Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense’ SPCK, 2006 ‘Judas and the Gospel of Jesus: Have We Missed the Truth about Christianity?’ 

SPCK 2006

‘Evil and the Justice of God’ SPCK, 2006 ‘The Resurrection of Jesus: John Dominic Crossan and N. T. Wright in Dialogue’ Robert B. Stewart (Editor), John Dominic Crossan & N. T. Wright Fortress {USA}, 2006. ‘Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of Scripture’ Kevin J. Vanhoozer (General, Editor), N.T. Wright (Editor) and Daniel J. Treier (Editor)

SPCK, 2005 

‘The Cross and the Colliery’

USA title: Christians at the Cross SPCK, 2007 "The Reasons for Christ's Crucifixion," Stricken by God? Nonviolent Identification and the Victory of Christ (edited by Brad Jersak and Michael Hardin), 2007. “The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions (Plus)” - Marcus Borg & N T Wright 2007 ‘Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church’ SPCK, 2007 ‘Jesus: the Final Days’ Chapter 3 is by NTW, overlapping substantially with chapters 3 and 4 of Surprised by Hope N T Wright & Craig A. Evans; Troy A. Miller (Editor) SPCK, 2008 ‘The Theological Interpretation of the New Testament’ Kevin J. Vanhoozer (General, Editor), N.T. Wright (Editor) and Daniel J. Treier (Editor) SPCK, 2008 ‘Anglican Evangelical Identity: Yesterday and Today’ (with J. I. Packer). (Reissue of booklet published in 1980, with substantial new preface) Latimer Trust, 2008 ‘Theological Interpretation of the New Testament: A Book-by-Book Survey’ editor: K. J. Vanhoozer N T Wright, D. J. Treier, associate editors (This volume consists of the specifically New Testament material extracted from the Dictionary of Theological Interpretation of Scripture, 2005) SPCK, 2008 

‘Christians at the Cross:

Finding Hope in the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus’ 2008 ‘Justification: God's Plan and Paul's Vision’ SPCK, 2009 ‘Raising Hell on the rock ‘n’ roll highway’ – N T Wright & Susan Vanhecke 2009 “Paul in Fresh Perspective” 2009 

“Small Faith; Great God”

2010 ‘Virtue Reborn’ 2010 ‘After you believe; why Christian character matters’ 2010 ‘After You Believe: The Forgotten Role of Virtue in the Christian Life’ 2010 ‘The Challenge of Easter’ 2010 ‘Simply Christian; Why Christianity makes sense’ 2010 ‘Looking for Jesus’


‘Evil’ - DVD 2006


Books critical of N T Wright ‘Jesus & the Restoration of Israel: A Critical Assessment of N.T. Wright's Jesus and the Victory of God’ Carey C. Newman; 1999 ‘The Future of Justification: A Response to N.T. Wright’ John Piper; 2008 ‘The Quest of the Hermeneutical Jesus: The Impact of Hermeneutics on the Jesus Research of John Dominic Crossan and N.T. Wright ‘ Robert B. Stewart; 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.231.205 (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citations to help editing

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This section is intended to provide citations to help editors working on the N.T. Wright article. drs (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wright, N. T. "How can the bible be authoritative?". Griffith Thomas Lecture 1989, Vox Evangelica, 1991, 21, 7–32. Retrieved 2012-01-27.
This is by Wright and has limited value in the article. It does provide background material on some of the concepts he holds. Recall the criticism that the article has got some of the facts wrong. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move 3 April 2014

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus to keep the current title. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]


N. T. Wright → Tom Wright (bishop) – I propose that, while Wright is known in academia as "N.T. Wright", his WP:COMMONNAME is Tom Wright (which must then be disambiguated). Some sources which indicate his common name include:

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose. For one thing, the current title avoids the necessity of disambiguation. He tends to use "N. T." for scholarly work, and "Tom" for popular/church work. But the thing is, he is best known as a scholar, and that will certainly be his lasting legacy. I notice that his twitter handle, which was linked to, is "profntwright", and the latest tweet was linking to an article called "Surprised by N.T. Wright". StAnselm (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per StAnselm. The two name options appear to be roughly equally common; the current title has the advantage of naturally disambiguating, so it should remain. Xoloz (talk) 03:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Any additional comments:
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Rapture in intro

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The intro's presentation of his rejection of the concept of a literal rapture makes it sound as if we're saying "He's traditional on these matters, but on the other hand, he rejects the rapture, co-wrote with an outspoken liberal, and advocates Open Evangelicalism and New Perspective". Is that a reasonable interpretation, or am I misunderstanding it? One doesn't typically hear the term nowadays except in a Left Behind sense, and the body of the article seems to say that he's rejecting a Left Behind sense. If that's what's meant, we need to remember that such an idea is very much an innovation, not something accepted throughout the history of Christianity. Nyttend (talk) 03:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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