Talk:Myrhorod

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Spelling

Discussion below relates to the earleir article created as Mirgorod. Relevance largely lost after Mirgorod/Myrhorod merge but preserved for reference. --Irpen 07:09, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

There are 60,000 google hits on Mirgorod and ~150 on Mirhorod - so I think the main speling is obvious. I have create a redirect just in case.

The Ukrainian texts on the city site spelled the city Миргород, I did not even know the letter г exist in Ukrainian language, but anyway so be it. User:Alex Bakharev

Alex, thanks for the article! As for the spelling, the Ukrainian spelling would be "Myrhorod" or "Myrgorod". Google results among "English only pages" (it is important to check this option in google) give:

Mirgorod - 4300 [1]
Myrgorod - 3120 [2]
Myrhorod - 548 [3]

The difference in google test is small enough to call it inconclusive and we should check other encyclopedias and modern media usage. I will do that later if no one gets to this before. I suspect, the answer would be a Ukrainian spelling but I don't feel passionate about it, so there is no rush.

If anyone is interested to check a thorough discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ukrainian subdivisions, please go directly to the subsection entitled "How the city name Днiпропетровськ is spelled in English" and a couple of more subsection after this. Michael and myself gave this a good thought and I would invite everyone interested in articles on Ukrainian locations to read this discussion, albeit a lengthy one.

Finally, please do not create any redirects, since that will make a page move to whatever we end up deciding more difficult. To move to a page with an existing history, one would need a vote at WP:RM. Results are not always predictable for the reasons, not very relevant. For example, should the Polish or Romanian name coinside with a lesser used English name, we may get more votes for an "incorrect" name. Thanks, --Irpen 06:38, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Myrhorod gets 744 hits. At the moment, Google news has one for Mirgorod and zero for Myrhorod. Most Ukrainian cities on WP have their names spelt according to the official National Transliteration for geographic names, from Ukrainian. The exceptions are Kiev (Kyiv), and I think a few Crimean places. —Michael Z. 2005-09-4 06:27 Z

Huh, Michael and I just had an edit conflict. I merged both responces. Just for the record: another exeption is Odessa. (Ukrainian: Odesa) --Irpen 06:39, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Russian variant name

While the Ukrainian name is the article title, there are more than enough instances in English for "Mirgorod" to justify keeping the alternate Russian name bolded in the first sentence and in the city template. Rkononenko, you've been warned about removing Russian variant names in other Wikipedia articles. (Taivo (talk) 10:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

It is spelled the same in both Ukrainian and Russian. It is a Ukrainian city, why then should Russian spelling be added. Also, why did you remove Georgian and Latvian spelling. Though as I can see you are professor of linguistics, perhaps you don't know that Davyd Gyramishvili(one of the most well-known Gergian writers, Georgian counterpart of Taras Shevchenko) was buried in Myrhorod and many Gergians know about Myrhorod because of that. --Rkononenko (talk) 10:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Cyrillic spelling doesn't matter, it is spelled differently in English. That's what matters in the English Wikipedia. I don't mind having the Georgian spelling if Georgians are familiar with the name (other editors might, but I don't), but you've given no reason for the Estonian name (it's labelled Estonian). (Taivo (talk) 11:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Here is a link (Davit Guramishvili) to Guramishvili article, where you can learn what you want for yourself. Estonian spelling is added because it is relevant --Rkononenko (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Estonian name relevant? (Taivo (talk) 11:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

English Spelling

There is only one English spelling and it's Myrhorod. Google confirms it (although it's really stupid how Russian nationalists always use Google to support their spelling of Ukrainian nouns in Russified way, disregarding the fact that there are more Russians physically on planet Earth, which means they can obviously create more articles/websites/outher-stuff that would have their "Russian-based" spelling of Ukrainian names. Also take into account that there is a book called Mirgorod, written by Nikolai Gogol, and that will also add extra search results when googling for "Mirgorod", because it'll include the articles about this book and not about the city.

Anyhow, here is google (18 July, 2012 results), it still confirms Myrhorod spelling:

Simple word search, without any attributes (377,000+95,700 = 472,700) vs 95,700

Myrhorod - 377,000 [4]
Myrgorod - 95,700 [5]

Mirgorod - 95,700 [6]

Simple word search, with attributes (exclude the opposite spelling type) (365,000+363,000 = 728,000) vs 88,200

Myrhorod - 365,000 [7]
Myrgorod - 363,000 [8]

Mirgorod - 88,200 [9]

--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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