Talk:Mynydd Llandygai

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I propose moving this page to Mynydd Llandygái, the correct Welsh spelling. --Llygadebrill 22:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that that is the best approach. I think some guidance from an administrator would be useful but looking at other articles such as Anglesey, Swansea, Newport and Cardiff none are referred to by their Welsh names. However, there is often a redirect from the Welsh search term, as in these articles Ynys Môn, Abertawe, Casnewydd or Caerdydd. There is already a redirect from the search term Mynydd Llandygai to this article. There is currently no redirect from Mynydd Llandygái and this redirect would make sense. However, I do not believe that the majority of people will search for the accented term. Also, all three terms appear to be used officially in different places (Ordnance Survey use Mynydd Llandegai [1] whilst different government websites use all three, sometimes even on the same page!). I would also point out that the first paragraph in the website of their community group (in the links) uses the spelling Mynydd Llandegai. My recommendation would therefore be to not change it but to add in the redirect. Is there a particular reason to change this article as opposed to other similar ones?--Mathsewell 01:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Just as an addition to that, if you like I'd be happy to set up the redirect. Best wishes.--Mathsewell 01:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, leave it where it is for now. I've created the redirect & added a little at the start of the article. Llais Ogwan, the local welsh-language community newspaper, use my spelling consistently. I suppose the difference between this and cases like 'Anglesey', is that this is about the spelling - Mynydd Llandygái only has a welsh name. The accent places the emphasis in the right place (it would be on the penult by default), and has the added advantage of possibly jarring non-welsh speakers into attempting the correct pronunciation (rather than saying something along the lines of "Minnid Landy-gay"!)--Llygadebrill 14:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

A good point and it would be interesting to get some more opinions. Rather than adding the piece about the pronunciation on the final syllable, would you consider changing it to give a phonetic pronunciation? I think that would be more beneficial to helping people who don't know how to pronounce it.--Mathsewell 00:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Page move

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The result of the move request was no consensus. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Mynydd Llandygai → Mynydd Llandegai — Relisted. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 19:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Why wasn't this page move discussed here before it happened? Seems odd that the only discussion here was two years ago with one conclusion and then the page gets moved based on a discussion elsewhere. Mathsewell (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose The official spelling used by the local authority, Gwynedd Council, is Mynedd Llandygai. A quick search of Gwynedd's website shows 241 hits for Mynedd Llandygai and 40 for Mynedd Llandegai (both terms appear in both English and Welsh pages). Whilst the Ordnance Survey may not have caught up with the change in spelling for the village they have caught up with the change in spelling for the community which they now show as Llandygai. The electoral division is called Tregarth and Mynydd Llandygai (Election Results 1 May 2008 : Tregarth and Mynydd Llandygai). Royal Mail's Find a Postcode gives Mynydd Llandygai as the official postal address (though, strangely, their map still shows Mynydd Llandegai). Llandygai Community Council uses Mynydd Llandygai. Contemporary use in English prose is demonstrated here :-

"Bangor City Reserves collected a piece of silverware as tangible proof of their successful comeback season in the Caernarfon and District League, when they beat Mynydd Llandygai 4-3 in the KON-X Wales Cup final." from Bangor and Anglesey Mail : Football: Bangor City Beat Mynydd Llandygai in Cup Final

"The woods and reservoir around the Afon Galedffrwd, upstream of its confluence with the Afon Ogwen, and east of Mynydd Llandygai, have long been a source of enjoyment for many people from the area. Residents in Mynydd Llandygai and vicinity in 2003 formed a charitable company called Coetir Mynydd, which took ownership of the Parc yr Ynys woodland and Llyn Coed y Parc from the Penrhyn Estate in April 2004." from Coetir Mynydd Woodland Community Group : Parc yr Ynys and Llyn Coed y Parc

"This plan has been created due to members of the public raising concerns about off road motorcycles being ridden in an anti social manner and damaging areas of scientific interest near Mynydd Llandegai." from North Wales Police : Your Neighbourhood Policing Team : Bangor District : Tregarth Mynydd Llandygai Ward : Your Local Priorities

"Rhondda-born Brad Nicholas of Mynydd Llandygai, near Bangor, is the chief flying instructor for his own school, Snowdon Gliders, where he teaches paragliding - free flying with an unpowered parachute-like canopy." from British Broadcasting Corporation : Paragliding

"The company says it is confident that the water is now safe to drink because new equipment installed at the Mynydd Llandygai treatment works is successfully killing all cryptosporidium in the water supply. Customers are being sent letters advising of the lifting of the ‘boil water notice.’" from National Public Health Service for Wales : Welsh Water Lifts "Boil Water" Notice

"Tregarth & Mynydd Llandygai lies within Gwynedd" from Office for National Statistics : Neighbourhood Statistics : Information on Tregarth and Mynydd Llandygai

"In September another outbreak of the bug, which can cause stomach upsets, was traced to a treatment works at Mynydd Llandygai, although no-one became ill." from Caernarfon Herald : Major Reservoir Works at Llyn Cwellyn Following Stomach Bug Outbreak

"Go back to the main road and take the second turning to the right, for Deiniolen village. Turn to the left, following the road up to the junction, sign posted ‘Mynydd Llandygai’, where you will pass over the mountain to Mynydd Llandygai village." from Snowdonia National Park Authority : Slate and Copper

"As an interim measure the company has installed ultra violet (UV) treatment at Penybont, Cwellyn, Mynydd Llandygai and Capel Curig treatment works to ensure cryptosporidium is killed." from Daily Post : Global Warming is Raising Crypto Risk in Reservoirs

"Awarded to Coetir Mynydd, the community group from Mynydd Llandygai" from The Campaign for the Protection of Rural Wales : Rural Wales Awards

"People living in the area served by the water treatment works at Mynydd Llandygai have now been told they no longer need to boil their drinking water." from Wales Online : Tap Water Boiling Warning is Lifted

"On 29 August 2008, we issued a precautionary boil water notice to customers supplied by our Mynydd Llandygai water treatment works, following the identification through routine sampling of an increased level of cryptosporidium." from Welsh Water : Welsh Water’s Customer Dividend Helps Customers Deal with the Economic Downturn

"Design work for improving Mynydd Llandygai, Cwellyn and Rhiwgoch treatment works is well advanced and construction is due to start in the new year." from Construction News : North Wales Water Gets £100m Investment

"The Crown was designed and made by Karen Williams of Mynydd Llandygai but originally from Anglesey, who also made the 1999 Anglesey Eisteddfod Crown." from Eisteddfod Genedlaethol Cymru : 2008 Crown Winner

"The route takes back roads out of Bangor, and heads up via Tregarth and Sling to Mynydd Llandygai, and over to Dinorwig, before returning via Fachwen and Brynrefail to Cwm y Glo." from Energy Cycles : Energy Cycles are Running 3 Audaxes This Year : Under the Auspices of AudaxUK (Plus We are Working on a Flat 200km to Aberdaron and Back)

Skinsmoke (talk) 05:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose For the reasons given by User:Skinsmoke (although I think he means Mynydd when he says Mynedd).

Also, I proposed the move of Llandegai to Llandygai which has since been accepted and implemented. It seemed logical to make the parallel move of Mynydd Llandegai to Mynydd Llandygai at the same time, as the derivation is the same. In response to the question as to why it wasn't discussed here as well, I would say that I followed the Wikipedia guidance, which did create an entry on this talk page.

It wasn't quite a repeat of the 2007 discussion here, as the proposal at that time was to use the accented form Mynydd Llandygái. That was my original thought, too, for Llandygai but, as recorded at Talk:Llandygai, I reconsidered, feeling that although the accented form is correct in Welsh, such accents aren't common in English and Llandygái isn't the accepted English usage.

Finally, this article itself records that the present name was only coined in the 1930s when it would obviously have taken the name of the parish in which the 'mountain' was located. If the name of the parish is correctly Llandygai (as recorded here), this is further support for retaining Mynydd Llandygai here. D22 (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops! Of cousre it's Mynydd Llandegai. Hic! Skinsmoke (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support For the reasons mentioned in 2007, all of the web sites based in the village and the newly formed football team are called Mynydd Llandegai. If the local residents call it Mynydd Llandegai then surely that is the most appropriate name, especially when both names appear to be regularly used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathsewell (talk • contribs) 21:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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pronunciation

The stress is on the Llan, and always on the final syllable -- one or the other needs to be changed. kwami (talk) 08:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

<e> or <y>?

Is it Llandygai or Llandegai? The UK Post Office Address finder writes "Mynydd Llandygai" and on Google maps I find both: "Mynydd Llandygai" on the left info side with the "A" info speech bulb pin, but on the actual map, it says "Mynydd Llandegai". The Gwnyedd Council bus timetables say "Mynydd Llandygai". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.20.210.144 (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

See the "move" discussion above. The official spelling is now Llandygai. Llandegai is a spelling that was (and sometimes still is) used, but appears to have no official support. Ultimately, it is Cyngor Gwynedd that determines the correct spelling, though in practice they would normally follow the lead of Llandygai Community Council. Once the Welsh Assembly Government, Royal Mail, Ordnance Survey, Office for National Statistics and Boundary Commission for Wales have been informed, the naming becomes fully official. Google Maps is not a reliable source. Technically, in Welsh, the spelling would be Llandygái, although this does not appear to have been widely accepted in English yet. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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